[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Jordan338

I have some SD on hand as well. Any chance you can post the dosing protocols of the supplements you plan to be using and in what dosages? Would be greatly appreciated!

My PCT for SD will be the following:

Weeks 1-4 PCS (4/day)/I3C(400 Mgs/day)/ZMA(3/day at bedtime)/SAMe
Weeks 3-6 LX(4/day)/AX(4/day)/6-oxo 400/300/200/100
Kre-Akalyn throughout PCT

I will have Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides which I will run at 400 mgs/day if the sides appear. I plan to run SD at:

10-20/20/30/30
Cycle Support
Multi
Whey

I will be starting up in August sometime ...

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

My PCT for SD will be the following:

Weeks 1-4 PCS (4/day)/I3C(400 Mgs/day)/ZMA(3/day at bedtime)/SAMe
Weeks 3-6 LX(4/day)/AX(4/day)/6-oxo 400/300/200/100
Kre-Akalyn throughout PCT

I will have Vitex on hand in case of prolactin sides which I will run at 400 mgs/day if the sides appear. I plan to run SD at:

10-20/20/30/30
Cycle Support
Multi
Whey

I will be starting up in August sometime ...

I will definately be watching that log. 4 , 8 and 12 week updates post PCT will be repped, hint hint (E rebound)

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

I will definately be watching that log. 4 , 8 and 12 week updates post PCT will be repped, hint hint (E rebound)

LOL! There won't be any e rebound ... From what I can tell, people aren't necessarily getting an e rebound per se as much as getting hyper-sensitized ER's and thus having the estrogen exerting a greater effect on ER's when it comes back. 6-oxo/Activate Xtreme should have a profound effect on stabilizing that situation. The other nasty effect is that once people are done with the nolva and it is not occupying the ER's any longer, prolactin can also exert it's effects on the ER's. If you haven't done anything to prevent a rise in prolactin, even if you use an AI you won't be combating those sides and that is where the rebound gyno comes from ...

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

LOL! There won't be any e rebound ... From what I can tell, people aren't necessarily getting an e rebound per se as much as getting hyper-sensitized ER's and thus having the estrogen exerting a greater effect on ER's when it comes back. 6-oxo/Activate Xtreme should have a profound effect on stabilizing that situation. The other nasty effect is that once people are done with the nolva and it is not occupying the ER's any longer, prolactin can also exert it's effects on the ER's. If you haven't done anything to prevent a rise in prolactin, even if you use an AI you won't be combating those sides and that is where the rebound gyno comes from ...

however you like to state it, I will be watching.

[ImJ2x]

I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.

[poacher]

IMJ2X Did you run anything on off days on that cycle. Thanks

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by ImJ2x

I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.

thats a long pulse bro........

no matter what anyone says, i still dont think there is a specific pct protocol that has been figured out yet.

I know clomid and liquidex worked for my buddy, although he only ran 20mg ED for 21 days.

keep us posted on your progress ImJ2x, please and thank you.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by ImJ2x

I did a 4-month, low-dose (20mg), 3on/4off SD pulse (at the low dosing, it just took that long to get through a bottle). It was very successful (put on 15+ lbs LBM), and I experienced zero shutdown (continued to "perform" magnificently right through the end).
With the lack of shutdown, I figured I could get along with 6oxoExtreme as my PCT. I tapered it down gradually for 24 days, and everything was great, right through the end of PCT. But then...
I woke up 2 weeks post-PCT with a single, swollen, painful, lactating teet. Typical SD "delayed gyno." Sux ass.
Needing to act immediately (meaning OTC), I ran out and picked up some Novedex XT (contains ATD, a very potent oral AI), p5p (to halt the lactation), and NicoDerm patches (nicotine is a milder AI, and you can apply the patches directly on the nip). It worked immediately and spectacularly -- the pain and lactation stopped within 2 days, and the swelling was wiped out within a week. (I'm not sure I can even feel the gland under there anymore. Yay.)
Actually, the 6oxoExtreme seemed to work just fine as a solo PCT. I think I simply needed to stay on it longer than 24 days for a 4-month cycle (even though it was a low-dose pulse cycle). So now I'm staying on the ATD/p5p much longer -- approx 12 weeks, with a very very gradual down taper (hoping to avoid a 2nd bout of e-rebound). And I've ditched the nicotine patches -- they may have helped, but they're no longer needed (and they can give you a rash, applying them to the same spot day after day after day).
I'm very interested to see how your OTC PCT approach pans out. Good luck.

dang, I hadn't heard about your delayed gyno, that blows

[Rob Awesome]

I can't wait - I have a 90/90/90/90 Prop cycle coming up stacked w/ Beast Sports 2Shredded. Going for an OTC PCT w/ Post Cycle Support, I3C, Cycle Support (also being utilized on cycle, too) & 6-oxo (on hand)

[Eagleman003]

Doesnt even make sense. 6-oxo xtreme is the same thing pratically PLUS an AI. What a dumb poll.

Both are great products, btw.

[nunes]

pcs is better taken with meals or empty stomach?

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by nunes

pcs is better taken with meals or empty stomach?

From what i recall, i dont think it matters............bump for a fading memory......lol

[ImJ2x]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

dang, I hadn't heard about your delayed gyno, that blows

Yeah Easy - it blows donkey. But that oft-maligned Novedex XT stuff is working great on my gyno. It's ATD is supposedly very close to Letro in effectiveness as an AI. Don't dismiss it just because it's unpopular on this board.

[EasyEJL]

i've got 20g of atd here, just for emergency use

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

i've got 20g of atd here, just for emergency use

do you guys taper down on that stuff just like a normal AI? I have never used it........