HPTA shut down - Please help
- 02-19-2008, 02:39 PM
HPTA shut down - Please help
My HPTA has been screwed up for a few months now and I tried Sustain Alpha which doesn't seem to be working. I just started Diesel Test Hardcore to see if that works but no luck so far.
Here is my blood work. Any suggestions on a regimen to get back on track would be greatly appreciated.
Testosterone - 298 (241-827)
Free Testosterone - 8.3 (8.7-25.1) Low
DHT - 32 (30-85)
Estradiol - 22 (0-53)
Prolactin 7.3 (2.1-17.7)
Cortisol - 14.9 (4.3-22.4)
LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3)
FSH 4.1 (1.4-18.1)
AST - 34 (0-40)
ALT - 35 (0-55)
- 02-19-2008, 03:10 PM
What did you take that caused all this? How much, and for how long? What was your PCT?
- 02-19-2008, 03:15 PM
In addition to the animal's question, how long have you been on DTH?
Is this after a cycle with some PCT? Need more info before I can give you some better suggestions.
02-19-2008, 03:25 PM
Well... it wasn't steroids. I took propecia for 17 months and had all of these problems after I quit 8 months ago. My understanding is that it causes a similar HPTA disturbance that steroids would, resulting in a suppressed pituitary and testicular atrophy. (which I have)
The only PCT i've tried is Sustain Alpha about a month ago. I've been on DTH for 4 days.
I thought this would be a good place for advise.
02-19-2008, 03:33 PM
try nettle root
other than free test, the rest of the numbers are ok. so reducing SHBG would bring that up.
02-19-2008, 03:46 PM
The problem with nettle root is that is that it inhibits DHT which caused my problems in the first place (Mainly low libido). Notice that my DHT is near the bottom of the reference range.
Is there another way to lower SHGB without effecting DHT?
02-19-2008, 03:48 PM
or to also raise DHT at the same time. just generally nobody wants a high DHT.
02-19-2008, 04:09 PM
DHT may be bad for your hair and prostate but it's good for libido which I am lacking right now.
02-19-2008, 04:37 PM
just thinking aloud, but it would be worthwhile to see what your SHBG is. Outside of that, I guess you need something that rasises test in general. How long have you been using DTH? I'd suggest maybe also trying an AI like hyperdrol x2, but your e2 isn't that high. still taking it down a little would raise test.
02-19-2008, 04:40 PM
I'll try to get my SHGB levels next time. I've only used DTH for a few days so I will finish the bottle and get tested again.
Thanks for the help!
02-20-2008, 10:22 PM
02-20-2008, 10:24 PM
02-20-2008, 10:46 PM
Thanks a lot Chuck.
I quit using the Sustain Alpha because my T levels were the lowest after using it. 3 months ago I had T serum at 465 (241-827) and free T at 14.7 (8.7-25.1). This was a big drop.
All I am taking now is DTH (6 pills a day) and weight training 3x a week. I'll get tested again after finishing the bottle and be sure to include DHEA.
The testicular atrophy is the most troubling part. If this doesn't work I feel like I may have to try clomid or something.
02-21-2008, 10:05 AM
also if you took the propecia for prostate issues you may wish to be careful with disturbances in test, dht and estrogen levels. are you under medical supervision?
if so, you may also consider / discuss with your doc arimidex/anastrozole at 0.5mg to 1mg for 3 or more months.
if you get your test, make sure that it's not being skewed by anything you take at the time.
also, don't expect any miracles within a few days if you were suppressed for months and your axis was offset for such a long time, it will probably take quite some time to readjust, even with herbals such as DHT to help.
02-21-2008, 10:50 AM
I think HCG would just reduce his LH output even more, since it emulates LH in the body. It might only be a temporary fix for the testicular atrophy.
02-21-2008, 04:10 PM
Yeah I considered HCG but I'm really worried about the pituitary suppression. Is there anything out there designed just to kick start the HPTA?
Side note. Im on day 7 of DTH had a noticeable lift in libido today. Not sure if it will continue but my fingers are crossed.
Last edited by jchix; 02-21-2008 at 04:11 PM. Reason: typo
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