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    Exclamation Epistane Cycle and PCT questions?


    I'm interested in running an epistane cycle possibly stacked with furazadrol, but I would like further review from experienced individuals. I've been researching and lurking on this website for the past 6-7 months trying to learn as much as possible and I'd like to thank everyone for being so informative..that being said I still want critiquing on my cycle because I am a novice..thank you in advance!


    My stats: 5'10 220lbs fairly lean
    Have been lifting for 6 years
    BP: 120/66
    Blood: Healthy as can be
    Family History: Some high blood pressure (maybe a good idea to take a small amount of arginine during the cycle?)

    Core Supplements: Multi-Vitamin, Joint support

    ON Cycle
    1. Epistane
    Week 1 starting at 10mg and moving up to 20mg midweek
    Week 2 30mg
    Week 3 30 mg
    Week 4 40mg

    2. Furazadrol (This is not a definite yet)
    Weeks 1-4 100mg

    Milk Thistle throughout

    Off Cycle
    1. SERM: Liquid Tamoxifen Citrate
    (This is a gray area for me so let me know if this is to be dosed correctly)
    4.5mL = 60.8mg Tamox Citrate = 40mg Nolva
    2.2mL = 30.4mg Tamox Citrate = 20mg Nolva
    1.1mL = 15.0mg Tamox Citrate = 10mg Nolva


    Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
    Wk2: 20mg everyday
    Wk3: 10mg everyday
    Wk4: 10mg everyday

    Is this the correct dosing for 4 weeks?

    2. Cortisol Blocker: Lean Xtreme
    3. Milk Thistle still because the tamox is liver toxic correct?
    4. Creatine Monohydrate

    **Now this is where I am having trouble... is it necessary to run a test booster or AI with this cycle...if so which one would be recomemded..or is it not necessary to use either.

    Thank you all for you support.

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    you may want to consider 40 40 40 30 30 30 30

    i would hightly recommend both test booster and an ai. with epi there seem to be two schools on the later. not about to use or not but go high and reduce or start low and increase. i would do some searches and see which makes sense to you. i went the hight to low route. but i had some wet substances in there and had some bloat i wanted to reduce.



    epi is a good product. personally i would consider running at 40 longer than the last week - but that is me.

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    Hey thank you for the response...is running a cortisol, AI, SERM, and test booster overkill or standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoor8687 View Post
    Hey thank you for the response...is running a cortisol, AI, SERM, and test booster overkill or standard?
    the ai serm and test booster are standard here. the cortisol is extra but definitely not overkill. i've used retain myself for this purpose.

    best - moose

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    So I should be ok if i take all this correctly

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoor8687 View Post
    2. Furazadrol (This is not a definite yet)
    Weeks 1-4 100mg

    Milk Thistle throughout
    on 2.: to be honest (and not all will agree): i believe that at only 100mg, you can just forget about this as an adjunct. it's basically just a waste of money, especially if stacked with 30 or 40mg of Havoc. i did this (at 150mg) and i don't think that the Fura added anything to the overall results from the Havoc but slightly more blood pressure. if you want to improve your results, you may probably be better off slightly increasing your havoc dose (e.g. +10mg on workout days only).

    look at an all-in-one cycle support product such as AI Cycle support: http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-servings.html or at least Perfect Cycle which has more than just MT: http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...e-90-tabs.html

    personally, i believe support should revolve around the AI Cycle Support (for blood pressure, cholesterol, antioxidants) and SAMe or Essentiale Forte N. I also prefer to use Liver Longer (+ Lecithin & Betaine), as addition on a methyl cycle, but i have a very sensitive gall bladder, and notice every cap of methyl i take.

    T.I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interlocutor View Post
    on 2.: to be honest (and not all will agree): i believe that at only 100mg, you can just forget about this as an adjunct. it's basically just a waste of money, especially if stacked with 30 or 40mg of Havoc. i did this (at 150mg) and i don't think that the Fura added anything to the overall results from the Havoc but slightly more blood pressure. if you want to improve your results, you may probably be better off slightly increasing your havoc dose (e.g. +10mg on workout days only).

    3. look at an all-in-one cycle support product such as AI Cycle support: http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-servings.html or at least Perfect Cycle which has more than just MT: http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...e-90-tabs.html

    personally, i believe support should revolve around the AI Cycle Support (for blood pressure, cholesterol, antioxidants) and SAMe or Essentiale Forte N. I also prefer to use Liver Longer (+ Lecithin & Betaine), as addition on a methyl cycle, but i have a very sensitive gall bladder, and notice every cap of methyl i take.

    T.I.
    i concur with this.

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    No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

    SERM + P.C.T Guide

    Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

    Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.


    1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

    Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
    Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
    Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
    Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

    You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

    Example Nolva Dosing:
    Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
    Wk2: 20mg everyday
    Wk3: 10mg everyday
    Wk4: 10mg everyday

    I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

    3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

    1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

    3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

    With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

    Things To Note

    1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

    2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT


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    5. Love your Liver!

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