[cardiffgiant]

Originally Posted by monsterbox

nolva made me feel worse than havoc. My sex drive was unbelieveably low on nolva.

How do you know it was the nolva?I'm still wondering about my sex drive being zapped for months after Sdrol.Was it just the Sdrol or too much ATD, AIs, Nolva or what.I got real nuts worrying about gyno so went overboard with PCT.Well eventually sex drive was fine and no gyno thank God.

[cardiffgiant]

Gonna try hyperdrol with or without nolva for havoc+extreme tren cycle.

[gogo]

Originally Posted by cardiffgiant

Gonna try hyperdrol with or without nolva for havoc+extreme tren cycle.

Do not use hyperdrol as a standalone for pct.
Your just looking for problems by doing that.

[gymrattus]

would i need a SERM on h- drol?

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by gymrattus

would i need a SERM on h- drol?

No, you likely will not need a SERM.

[Sharia]

Hello folks, I am two weeks into my M-drol cycle and would like to ask when it's time for my PCT, when should I take my dosages? I have Tamo (Nolvadex) at 10g per tablet, Restore by ALRI and tribulus at 1gram per tablet.

I plan on taking 4 Tamos each day which is recommended. The question is can I take the Tamo with restore and tribuls at the same time? From the intructions on Restore it reads to take one tab of restore 3 times a day. How much tribulous should I take? Should I stick the the 1g twice a day or bump it up to 3g a day?

[Pemmican]

why not take the SERM if you can prevent any negative sides of an estrogen rebound BEFORE they happen as opposed to when you see the first signs of gyno. small moobs are still moobs. also, if the concern is that the SERMs are harsh on the body, take something like Post Cycle Support from Anabolic Innovations (you should be taking something similar like Cycle Support from Anabolic Innovations) and this should take care of your lipids, blood pressure and liver toxicity for the length of the cycle.

[bonscott]

I'm gonna use a serm with my epi run in Nov. I don't want boobies!!!

[ABNRanger]

Originally Posted by poopypants

JMO but why NOT run a SERM???

even if its not "neccesary" to actually get back to norm youll most definately do so faster and be more capable of maintaing gains! Its no worse on your body then the cycle you just finished and you should be taking ancilleries for that crap anyways.

If I bust my ass and go through the trouble of running a cycle to get those precious pounds then I go 10X more all out with my post cycle therapy to maintain those gains... and possibly improve on them! Im the biggest advocate of overdoing it on post cycle therapy hitting every possible angle I can with as many possible supps as I can that arent redundant to make sure I dont skip a beat after a cycle and wont do it any other way, the one time I didnt use a serm I GOT GYNO... F that shiiit.

how did you recover from your gyno? Did you do surgery?

[Pemmican]

i got a quick question:


I just started my PCT after a cycle of AMS 1-Andro, 4-AD and DecaVol. For PCT i am taking Torem 90/60/30/30, 4 caps of Arom-X from AMS and have a few days left on both 6-OXO and Stoked! as i experienced puffy nips and all around bloating during cycle, starting about halfway through week 3.

my question is, I have been taking the Torem for 3 days now, and I get prickly sensations under my nipples. is this the Torem binding to the estrogen receptors or gyno starting to flare up. I have a tiny bit of pre existing gyno from puberty and i want to make sure that it doesnt get any worse.

will torem do the trick or should i get some Nolva/Tamox Citrate?

[crazyfool405]

Originally Posted by Pemmican

why not take the SERM if you can prevent any negative sides of an estrogen rebound BEFORE they happen as opposed to when you see the first signs of gyno. small moobs are still moobs. also, if the concern is that the SERMs are harsh on the body, take something like Post Cycle Support from Anabolic Innovations (you should be taking something similar like Cycle Support from Anabolic Innovations) and this should take care of your lipids, blood pressure and liver toxicity for the length of the cycle.

dude, AIs prevent the rebound.

A SERM will keep circulating estrogen in the body and it wont stop natural androgens that are rising to aromatize to estrogens, so this will leave flowing estrogen in the body and when you come off you can have a rebound from that,

i dont believe theres any rebound from steroidal AIs, and its possible that Non steroidal AIs can cause a rebound.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by crazyfool405

dude, AIs prevent the rebound.

A SERM will keep circulating estrogen in the body and it wont stop natural androgens that are rising to aromatize to estrogens, so this will leave flowing estrogen in the body and when you come off you can have a rebound from that,

i dont believe theres any rebound from steroidal AIs, and its possible that Non steroidal AIs can cause a rebound.

Sort of. the trick with steroidal AIs is that although there isn't a direct rebound, your estrogen receptors do upregulate themselves when you take estrogen really low and nothing is binding to them for a while. so although the estrogen level may not balloon up, the way it affects you is worse than the blood level might show

[crazyfool405]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Sort of. the trick with steroidal AIs is that although there isn't a direct rebound, your estrogen receptors do upregulate themselves when you take estrogen really low and nothing is binding to them for a while. so although the estrogen level may not balloon up, the way it affects you is worse than the blood level might show

theres no rebound at all when dont the right way.

can u explain what you mean by the bolded

[EasyEJL]

well, its the same as with androgen receptors. once you are on cycle for a long time, the receptors get "tired" for lack of better word, and you need a break or sometimes even taking certain other supps to help resensitize the androgen receptors.

All of us have some level of estrogen that is normal. so our receptors are always somewhat dirty, just like our androgen receptors. but by clipping estrogen down to nothing at all those receptors get a chance to clean up, they becomer esensitized so that once aromatase starts to come back and estrogen levels go up, the receptors will have more of it as a % bond effectively to them.