Epistine PCT help me plz

[Gym4Life]

hey guys im 27 and been bodybuilding for 4 years im 170 pounds and have never used pro hormones, ive used trib and dhea and herbal compounds to great sucess but now i am going to use Epistine after xmas for a 4 week cycle.

I know to use milk thirstle and taurine which is recomended by logs but what i dont get is this product is fine and doesnt cause gyno... it is allso said in 4 week cycle doesnt cause shut down ....

Does this mean i dont need a serm like nolvadex id rather not use it if i didnt have to would a nat test boaster and something like post cycle therapy be enough ???

i saw some guy on these forums post this which backs my point up ?

Finally, I think that ending your cycle at week 4, 40mg would have lead to practicaly zero shutdown, no need for torem, and a post cycle therapy concisting of an OTC AI like 6-0X0, AI post cycle therapy, Hyperdrol, Mass Fx, Retain would have suffised, because in the end, if serms can be avoided, they should be.

What do you guys think id rather not use a serm if its not needed i do have a serm nolva but would rather not use it if not needed advice please

 

[Gym4Life]

ok no 1 got any views on this really could use some views on this topic i know not to use a pro hormone without a serm as people react different but from EVERY review ive seen no 1 has expirenced real sides or shut down or gyno from epistine....

 

[beebab]

At higher doses Epistane DOES cause shut down. a four week cycle ramping up to 40 mg will suppress your endocrine system. this can be easily remedied with a few weeks of Toremifene or any related SERM, but you will need a SERM. apart from a SERM, your post cycle therapy should consist of an OTC anti-cortisol like Retain 2 as your cortisol levels will be high after you stop Epistane, as well as an OTC natty test booster if you prefer (however this is not essential). be sure to get a hold of some Cycle Support to run both ON cycle and in your PCT - this has all ancilliary products to protect your liver, lipids and bp.

 

[Gym4Life]

okay so a serm is needed then thanks for clearing that up mate i really appreciate it how much of nolva do you reccomend using and how for long plz

 

[beebab]

okay so a serm is needed then thanks for clearing that up mate i really appreciate it how much of nolva do you reccomend using and how for long plz

i'm no expert on Nolva, but 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20 seems like the preferred dosing protocol. i'd recommend Toremifene personally, only because it's supposedly a safer chemical for restoring HPTA function. a bit more costly, but Nolva is a little old school.

 

[CROWLER]

Here you go
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/77359-neoborns-epistane-faq.html

CROWLER