No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT
- 06-20-2008, 03:23 PM
perhaps you just need a colon cleansing
- 06-20-2008, 03:34 PM
- 06-21-2008, 10:43 AM
so its not a waste of time?? im sorry im kinda slow. lol.
06-21-2008, 11:22 AM
06-21-2008, 11:25 AM
hey sinner, have you read anything on the positive interactions of using both nolva and formestane at the same time? someone posted a link to a study on it where they worked (sigh) synergystically requiring a much lower dose of both when used together
06-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Have not read much on this, but it kinda make sense.
We're trying to prevent estrogen from binding to certain ER's in the brain, in order to signal an amplified androgen release.
Blocking the receptors, as well as lowering the conversion rate will cause for the same thing: less estrogens binding to ER's.
What's the sigh for? Are you as sick of hearing the word "synergistic" as the rest of us?
06-21-2008, 11:50 AM
yeah, its a pity, the word seems to need a "no really, I mean it" after it or something...
06-21-2008, 01:30 PM
super..haha. thanks for the info sinner.
06-21-2008, 06:00 PM
- 5'10" 215 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
07-05-2008, 09:23 PM
this is probably a stupid question but is a SERM, a Cortisol blocker, and a test booster all necessary for a 4 week cycle of Winstrol at 50 mg every other day???
07-06-2008, 10:10 PM
guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy
07-07-2008, 02:08 AM
07-07-2008, 09:46 AM
- 6'1" 238 lbs.
- Join Date
- Feb 2006
A simple and effective protocol is as follows:
LeanXtreme 2(cortisol): (start on day 15 of pct) 0/0/4/3/2/1
Drive(Nat. Test booster): 6/6/6/6
or, depending on your cycle duration and compounds used, you could replace Torem with some atd at 3/3/2/1 or hyperdrolx2(6-Bromo) at 6/4/4/2
07-07-2008, 09:48 AM
- 6'1" 238 lbs.
- Join Date
- Feb 2006
07-08-2008, 01:50 PM
08-08-2008, 04:07 PM
IF I were tapering down with Novedex toward the end of my PCT, would dosing one cap every other day be a good way to finish off?
08-08-2008, 06:27 PM
My personal experience: NEVER use over the counter PCT supps for a good PCT. You can run them in conjunction with, but never to replace a SERM.
Freedom means nothing here.
08-25-2008, 08:05 PM
09-08-2008, 02:36 PM
Reputation: Very popular on this board
Pros: Much less toxic.
Popular Dosages (for a 4-week cycle): 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg
i have liquid toremifene 60mg/ml...are these servings still valid?
And yess, very expensive
09-10-2008, 03:38 PM
11-02-2008, 01:15 PM
after i got back from the core i started getting back into lifting... since i was away i didnt really keep track of the supp./ph world... back when it was cool to shoot deca durabolin all anyone used as a pct was 6 oxo... and now geeze what the hell happened now you guys got serm's and all this crazzy... craziness i guess thats the best way to put it... im looking to get into havok... im not looking to get real serious about it just yet i wanna kinda just get my toes wet.. so i know you have said it is a GOOD IDEA to use a serm but is there a point where 6 oxo will do the trick for a low dose of havok and i know you have said no matter what you would still do a serm.... maybe its just me being lost in all this stuff but damn im trying to read everything about this kinda stuff and im still lost to a degree... HELP!!!!!!
will 4 weeks on a suggested dose of havok with a pct of torem at 120/90/60/30 be ok..... and i hear about liv-52 for the liver while im running all this... what you guys think... other than DAMN NEWB... GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!..
11-02-2008, 01:44 PM
using Torem for a Havoc PCT should be fine...havoc is a fairly mild substance (compared to some of the DS's that are out there).
I would check out cycle support by Applied Nutriceuticals...this will help cover many of your support supp requirements.
you'll probably also want to consider adding some other accessories to your cycle and PCT...like cortisol control, possible test booster, etc.
also, havoc is slightly androgenic...keep something on hand in case you get some prolactin based sides (ie: lactating). dosing p-5-p has been a cheap and effective way of combatting this (use when sides occur).
my only other response is to do more research, there are tons of threads on here discussing havoc/epi cycles...READ!
11-03-2008, 11:54 AM
Question on my PCT
Im thinking to buy the Havoc/Cycle Support/Post Cycle Support Stack which is on sale right now through NP. My question is should i just go with the Havoc/Cycle support stack and then use either comid or nolva for my pct or... post cycle+ nolva/clomid or... is post cycle enough for this prohormone (which i would think not)
11-03-2008, 12:44 PM
I am 2 weeks into PCT after a 4 wk Havoc cycle and I am just using Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support, I3C and Fenugreek. So far I've been keeping gains fine, no titty issues, and feeling fine. Sometimes I get a little emotional, but not a big deal.
11-03-2008, 02:12 PM
11-03-2008, 09:06 PM
Would it be a good idea, to be completely safe, to take both Post cycle therepy OTC supplement plus a SERM at their regular dosages for my pct? Also, What is the best type of diet when wating to lean up and get cut when on Havoc. I'm 5'9" 185-190 lbs, athlete, probably aroun 8-9%bf.
11-13-2008, 11:49 PM
awesome thread even though it took me hours too completely read threw it. totally worth my time
11-15-2008, 01:15 AM
please help! i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use
11-16-2008, 07:48 PM
looks like you're pretty new on here bud...so, welcome to AM!
I'm sure that if you do a little bit of searching you will find tons of information on PCT for Halodrol/clones.
if you still have questions about laying out your PCT (especially after reading the information in this thread), then start a thread with more specifics about your proposed cycle.
12-15-2008, 03:02 AM
great thread, now i gotta go find some examples of pcts
12-15-2008, 02:37 PM
12-18-2008, 03:40 PM
12-18-2008, 03:46 PM
02-13-2009, 08:42 PM
Bumping this thread because it needs to be.
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02-13-2009, 09:57 PM
02-14-2009, 01:11 PM
02-14-2009, 01:24 PM
02-14-2009, 02:10 PM
SERM's are also cheaper than otc pct so it only seems the most intelligent thing to do.
02-28-2009, 09:50 AM
bcuz some guys just don't have a clue and they need to read this thread..
it should be a PCT section sticky
REPS forever to thesinner
03-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Great classic thread! Should be sticky, as mentioned above.
Maybe it could be updated with some of the newer products available also. Example, do the products still perform as good/ better than newer products out today.
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