No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

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  1. Never enough
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    perhaps you just need a colon cleansing
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    perhaps you just need a colon cleansing
    Semi-colon, thank you very much.
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  3. so its not a waste of time?? im sorry im kinda slow. lol.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bdpeck View Post
    so its not a waste of time?? im sorry im kinda slow. lol.
    Tamoxifen will not have a noticeable effect on injectable IGF-LR3.
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    hey sinner, have you read anything on the positive interactions of using both nolva and formestane at the same time? someone posted a link to a study on it where they worked (sigh) synergystically requiring a much lower dose of both when used together
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  6. Have not read much on this, but it kinda make sense.

    We're trying to prevent estrogen from binding to certain ER's in the brain, in order to signal an amplified androgen release.

    Blocking the receptors, as well as lowering the conversion rate will cause for the same thing: less estrogens binding to ER's.

    What's the sigh for? Are you as sick of hearing the word "synergistic" as the rest of us?
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    yeah, its a pity, the word seems to need a "no really, I mean it" after it or something...
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  8. super..haha. thanks for the info sinner.

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  10. this is probably a stupid question but is a SERM, a Cortisol blocker, and a test booster all necessary for a 4 week cycle of Winstrol at 50 mg every other day???

  11. guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21 View Post
    Bump
    if you read his article in the beginning, Big Cat clearly states nolvadex/ clomid are not steroids. they are serm's. . . he also writes on arimidex, which is an AI. . . just do a little more reading bro

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jtrain84 View Post
    this is probably a stupid question but is a SERM, a Cortisol blocker, and a test booster all necessary for a 4 week cycle of Winstrol at 50 mg every other day???
    Yes, but you should really know a lot more than that before you do a cycle. You should have your entire pct layed out and in hand before you even start.

    A simple and effective protocol is as follows:

    Torem(SERM): 90/60/30/30
    LeanXtreme 2(cortisol): (start on day 15 of pct) 0/0/4/3/2/1
    Drive(Nat. Test booster): 6/6/6/6

    or, depending on your cycle duration and compounds used, you could replace Torem with some atd at 3/3/2/1 or hyperdrolx2(6-Bromo) at 6/4/4/2

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rmani View Post
    guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy
    Check out my layout and use hypx2 or atd in place of torem. Then you can get everything you need from nutraplanet. Just remember, that Torem is available through prescription only and you should do some RESEARCH if you want to know more about its effects.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rmani View Post
    guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy
    check out the rules bud, you're not allowed to ask for sources.

    do some research.

  16. IF I were tapering down with Novedex toward the end of my PCT, would dosing one cap every other day be a good way to finish off?

  17. My personal experience: NEVER use over the counter PCT supps for a good PCT. You can run them in conjunction with, but never to replace a SERM.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  18. bump for nublets

  19. Toremifene:
    Reputation: Very popular on this board
    Pros: Much less toxic.
    Con's: $$$$$expensive$$$$$
    Popular Dosages (for a 4-week cycle): 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg


    i have liquid toremifene 60mg/ml...are these servings still valid?

    And yess, very expensive

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Pemmican View Post
    Toremifene:
    Reputation: Very popular on this board
    Pros: Much less toxic.
    Con's: $$$$$expensive$$$$$
    Popular Dosages (for a 4-week cycle): 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg


    i have liquid toremifene 60mg/ml...are these servings still valid?

    And yess, very expensive
    yes. i ran it at 120/90/60/30.

  21. after i got back from the core i started getting back into lifting... since i was away i didnt really keep track of the supp./ph world... back when it was cool to shoot deca durabolin all anyone used as a pct was 6 oxo... and now geeze what the hell happened now you guys got serm's and all this crazzy... craziness i guess thats the best way to put it... im looking to get into havok... im not looking to get real serious about it just yet i wanna kinda just get my toes wet.. so i know you have said it is a GOOD IDEA to use a serm but is there a point where 6 oxo will do the trick for a low dose of havok and i know you have said no matter what you would still do a serm.... maybe its just me being lost in all this stuff but damn im trying to read everything about this kinda stuff and im still lost to a degree... HELP!!!!!!

    will 4 weeks on a suggested dose of havok with a pct of torem at 120/90/60/30 be ok..... and i hear about liv-52 for the liver while im running all this... what you guys think... other than DAMN NEWB... GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!..

  22. using Torem for a Havoc PCT should be fine...havoc is a fairly mild substance (compared to some of the DS's that are out there).

    I would check out cycle support by Applied Nutriceuticals...this will help cover many of your support supp requirements.

    you'll probably also want to consider adding some other accessories to your cycle and PCT...like cortisol control, possible test booster, etc.

    also, havoc is slightly androgenic...keep something on hand in case you get some prolactin based sides (ie: lactating). dosing p-5-p has been a cheap and effective way of combatting this (use when sides occur).

    my only other response is to do more research, there are tons of threads on here discussing havoc/epi cycles...READ!
  23. Question on my PCT


    Im thinking to buy the Havoc/Cycle Support/Post Cycle Support Stack which is on sale right now through NP. My question is should i just go with the Havoc/Cycle support stack and then use either comid or nolva for my pct or... post cycle+ nolva/clomid or... is post cycle enough for this prohormone (which i would think not)

  24. I am 2 weeks into PCT after a 4 wk Havoc cycle and I am just using Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support, I3C and Fenugreek. So far I've been keeping gains fine, no titty issues, and feeling fine. Sometimes I get a little emotional, but not a big deal.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    My personal experience: NEVER use over the counter PCT supps for a good PCT. You can run them in conjunction with, but never to replace a SERM.
    Just wondering what OTC PCT only did you run and what were the bad results? was it gyno related, low test, weight strength loss and also what cycle did you try the OTC PCT on? thanks

  26. Would it be a good idea, to be completely safe, to take both Post cycle therepy OTC supplement plus a SERM at their regular dosages for my pct? Also, What is the best type of diet when wating to lean up and get cut when on Havoc. I'm 5'9" 185-190 lbs, athlete, probably aroun 8-9%bf.

  27. awesome thread even though it took me hours too completely read threw it. totally worth my time

  28. please help! i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use

  29. looks like you're pretty new on here bud...so, welcome to AM!

    I'm sure that if you do a little bit of searching you will find tons of information on PCT for Halodrol/clones.

    if you still have questions about laying out your PCT (especially after reading the information in this thread), then start a thread with more specifics about your proposed cycle.

  30. great thread, now i gotta go find some examples of pcts

  31. Quote Originally Posted by musle grower View Post
    please help! i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use

    BUMP for this one!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Goat semen......lots and lots of goat semen. Don't eat real food, just goat semen. If you stick to this plan, I can guarantee in less than a week something will happen

    What does that come in?

  33. Quote Originally Posted by wtfamiiidoing View Post
    thats great advice! But i think ill try my luck...Last time i gained 15 lbs and was able to maintain. Call me old school..
    Better have a short cycle - a long one will drive your test levels to 0 - and without some of what is listed, you will lose your gains. Been there - done that.

  34. Bumping this thread because it needs to be.
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  35. awesome ! better become a sticky !

  36. Quote Originally Posted by THETEST View Post
    What does that come in?
    It only comes in loads.
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    It only comes in loads.
    There he is
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  38. SERM's are also cheaper than otc pct so it only seems the most intelligent thing to do.

  39. BUMP.
    bcuz some guys just don't have a clue and they need to read this thread..
    it should be a PCT section sticky
    REPS forever to thesinner

  40. Great classic thread! Should be sticky, as mentioned above.

    Maybe it could be updated with some of the newer products available also. Example, do the products still perform as good/ better than newer products out today.
  

  
 

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