No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

[mrntnk1]

after i got back from the core i started getting back into lifting... since i was away i didnt really keep track of the supp./ph world... back when it was cool to shoot deca durabolin all anyone used as a pct was 6 oxo... and now geeze what the hell happened now you guys got serm's and all this crazzy... craziness i guess thats the best way to put it... im looking to get into havok... im not looking to get real serious about it just yet i wanna kinda just get my toes wet.. so i know you have said it is a GOOD IDEA to use a serm but is there a point where 6 oxo will do the trick for a low dose of havok and i know you have said no matter what you would still do a serm.... maybe its just me being lost in all this stuff but damn im trying to read everything about this kinda stuff and im still lost to a degree... HELP!!!!!!

will 4 weeks on a suggested dose of havok with a pct of torem at 120/90/60/30 be ok..... and i hear about liv-52 for the liver while im running all this... what you guys think... other than DAMN NEWB... GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!..

[delsolrob]

using Torem for a Havoc PCT should be fine...havoc is a fairly mild substance (compared to some of the DS's that are out there).

I would check out cycle support by Applied Nutriceuticals...this will help cover many of your support supp requirements.

you'll probably also want to consider adding some other accessories to your cycle and PCT...like cortisol control, possible test booster, etc.

also, havoc is slightly androgenic...keep something on hand in case you get some prolactin based sides (ie: lactating). dosing p-5-p has been a cheap and effective way of combatting this (use when sides occur).

my only other response is to do more research, there are tons of threads on here discussing havoc/epi cycles...READ!

[Dedicated3]

Im thinking to buy the Havoc/Cycle Support/Post Cycle Support Stack which is on sale right now through NP. My question is should i just go with the Havoc/Cycle support stack and then use either comid or nolva for my pct or... post cycle+ nolva/clomid or... is post cycle enough for this prohormone (which i would think not)

[arizonanewbie]

I am 2 weeks into PCT after a 4 wk Havoc cycle and I am just using Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support, I3C and Fenugreek. So far I've been keeping gains fine, no titty issues, and feeling fine. Sometimes I get a little emotional, but not a big deal.

[mixedup]

My personal experience: NEVER use over the counter PCT supps for a good PCT. You can run them in conjunction with, but never to replace a SERM.

Just wondering what OTC PCT only did you run and what were the bad results? was it gyno related, low test, weight strength loss and also what cycle did you try the OTC PCT on? thanks

[Dedicated3]

Would it be a good idea, to be completely safe, to take both Post cycle therepy OTC supplement plus a SERM at their regular dosages for my pct? Also, What is the best type of diet when wating to lean up and get cut when on Havoc. I'm 5'9" 185-190 lbs, athlete, probably aroun 8-9%bf.

[freezito]

awesome thread even though it took me hours too completely read threw it. totally worth my time

[musle grower]

please help! i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use

[delsolrob]

looks like you're pretty new on here bud...so, welcome to AM!

I'm sure that if you do a little bit of searching you will find tons of information on PCT for Halodrol/clones.

if you still have questions about laying out your PCT (especially after reading the information in this thread), then start a thread with more specifics about your proposed cycle.

[TheAlchemist]

great thread, now i gotta go find some examples of pcts

[shinivan]

please help! i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use

BUMP for this one!!

[THETEST]

Goat semen......lots and lots of goat semen. Don't eat real food, just goat semen. If you stick to this plan, I can guarantee in less than a week something will happen

What does that come in?

[THETEST]

thats great advice! But i think ill try my luck...Last time i gained 15 lbs and was able to maintain. Call me old school..

Better have a short cycle - a long one will drive your test levels to 0 - and without some of what is listed, you will lose your gains. Been there - done that.

[CopyCat]

Bumping this thread because it needs to be.

[jtnixit]

awesome ! better become a sticky !

[thesinner]

What does that come in?

It only comes in loads.

[CopyCat]

It only comes in loads.

There he is

[Liquid13]

SERM's are also cheaper than otc pct so it only seems the most intelligent thing to do.

[DLM5]

BUMP.
bcuz some guys just don't have a clue and they need to read this thread..
it should be a PCT section sticky
REPS forever to thesinner

[2k2ser]

Great classic thread! Should be sticky, as mentioned above.

Maybe it could be updated with some of the newer products available also. Example, do the products still perform as good/ better than newer products out today.