No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT
- 02-14-2009, 02:11 PMAthletic Xtreme Rep
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- 02-14-2009, 02:24 PM
02-14-2009, 03:10 PM
02-28-2009, 10:50 AM
bcuz some guys just don't have a clue and they need to read this thread..
it should be a PCT section sticky
REPS forever to thesinner
03-09-2009, 04:15 PM
Great classic thread! Should be sticky, as mentioned above.
Maybe it could be updated with some of the newer products available also. Example, do the products still perform as good/ better than newer products out today.
03-18-2009, 01:20 PM
03-18-2009, 05:05 PM
so what about pct's that you can buy (reversitrol, anvanced pct, etc.) that claim to increase natural test and block estrogen? is this stuff crap? not work? not recommended or what?
03-18-2009, 07:03 PM
I think Advanced PCT by AX was designed for 3AD too...very mild!
Iron Legion Rep
03-28-2009, 05:17 AM
03-28-2009, 09:26 AM
04-12-2009, 07:04 AM
This is a great thread. Thank you very much from a noob who is desperately trying to wrap his head around the innumerable threads, posts, sites and opinions about this subject. Because of all the conflicting information I feel like the best I'll ever be able to do is make an educated guess so I'm trying to get as educated as I can get in order to make the best guess :-|
Seems like the contributors to this thread are firmly in the "always use a SERM" camp. But there hasn't been any discussion about PP's TRS stack, or more specifically their Sustain Alpha product.
PP claims that this alone is sufficient for PCT with nearly any steroid, but especially for a mild one like Havoc/Epi. There are some message boards where people enthusiastically buy into this claim. Any thoughts about that from this group?
If there's no way around using a SERM I'm interested in possibly using Toremifene. The only con of Toremifene that's mentioned is "$$$$$expensive$$$$$." No other sides or other cons of using this SERM? How expensive is this stuff, what will it cost for a full PCT of 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg? If cost isn't a factor is this the best/safest/ideal SERM option?
04-12-2009, 09:54 AM
04-12-2009, 02:01 PM
04-18-2009, 06:42 AM
05-09-2009, 02:08 AM
05-25-2009, 02:03 AM
05-25-2009, 10:25 AM
Is AG-Guys and Chemone research still legitimate? Also, what legal ramifications could there possibly be if I buy a product off one of these sites w/ my creditcard?
05-25-2009, 11:10 AM
06-02-2009, 12:27 PM
06-02-2009, 05:45 PM
This site is way more anti-SERM than I thought when I posted that. However, I am very pro SERM. You will find that there is a clear bias towards OTC PCT on sites like this with very active supplement company reps. Sites with less/no rep activity stand solidly behind SERMs which have been tested tried & true for many years before all these OTC products showed up.
Torem for PCT will set you back about $80. About twice as much as clomid or nolva but worth it.
Also, dosing Torem 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg is insane. Even for really suppressive gear I don't think you'll find many people these days who would recommend such high doses in the first two weeks and certainly not for something like epi/hdrol.
For my first cycle (five weeks with hdrol) my PCT is Torem with Formex, plus natty test booster and cort blocker. So far so good.
As for SA, there are a lot of people that have used it with success but it's expensive and a bit harder to use since it's a topical.
06-02-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm not sure if you guys have seen this thread about Sustain Alpha. You might be interested in you're looking to use Sustain Alpha in replacement of a SERM. I'm not condoning nor condemning this thread, I just think it's interesting:
Prevent Testicular Shrinkage with a New Legal hCG Alternative -- 7,8 Benzoflavone
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
06-20-2009, 06:50 PM
07-06-2009, 07:57 PM
07-07-2009, 12:37 AM
Sorry fairly new to this forum and have been out of the game for some time now. The products mentioned on the pct are they legal and if so where do you find them. Want to be careful not to break any forum rules. But by the names of some of the items im guessing they can be bought online. Thanks you guys have alot of good info here.
07-13-2009, 08:53 AM
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