tomoxifen, how much?

[RossiRossi]

I tried to get nolvadex for a superdrol cycle coming up. Ive ended up with 20mg tomoxifen BP tabs. I know its the main ingredient in nolvadex but how much should i use? Is this just as good nolvadex?

Im doing

wk1 10mg
wk2 20mg
wk3 20mg

Thankyou in advance.

 

[bpmartyr]

I assume you want it for PCT so I will say 60, 40, 20, 20 for weeks 1, 2 ,3 and 4 of PCT.

 

[RossiRossi]

Its for PCT,

Il start the day after finishing superdrol.

60mg of tamoxifen? Isnt that alittle excessive? I was told by my source 10mg a day. As tamoxifen BP tabs are stronger per mg than nolvadex. Would over dosing this be a problem?

Thanks

 

[bpmartyr]

Its for post cycle therapy,

Il start the day after finishing superdrol.

60mg of tamoxifen? Isnt that alittle excessive? I was told by my source 10mg a day. As tamoxifen BP tabs are stronger per mg than nolvadex. Would over dosing this be a problem?

Thanks

No. 10mg is not much and Tamoxifen IS Nolva. Nolva is the brand name.

 

[stxnas]

If you're uncomfortable with it go with 40/20/20/10 or just do some more research and come up with something that you are comfortable with. Even if the tabs are more concentrated, 40mg of active is 40mg of active.

I have thrown this thead up a few times today, but none-the-less: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/37790-running-serm-inverse.html?highlight=inverse+serm+ai

 

[RossiRossi]

Should of added, the tamoxifen tablets are 20mg each..but state they contain 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate..equivalent to 20mg of tamoxifen.

Through researching ive seen the doses that your putting up..do you know how many mg's of tamoxifen is in a 20mg noladex tab?

 

[stxnas]

I think you are answering your own question when you are saying that they contain 20mg of tamoxifen each. I might be reading that incorrectly though.

 

[Rodja]

Should of added, the tamoxifen tablets are 20mg each..but state they contain 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate..equivalent to 20mg of tamoxifen.

Through researching ive seen the doses that your putting up..do you know how many mg's of tamoxifen is in a 20mg noladex tab?

Uhhh...20mg

 

[thesinner]

Should of added, the tamoxifen tablets are 20mg each..but state they contain 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate..equivalent to 20mg of tamoxifen.

Through researching ive seen the doses that your putting up..do you know how many mg's of tamoxifen is in a 20mg noladex tab?

20mg

The reason it says 30.4mg (equivalent to 20mg) is because they bond it to a citrate ion, to make it a more absorbable salt. The extra 10.4 mg is citric acid. I hope this helps.

 

[RossiRossi]

Sorry, i got my wires crossed..i read somewhere that nolvadex was roughly 60% tamoxifen...i didnt relise it was 100% the same product.. Thanks for your help. As im going for a 3wk cycle il do a 4wk pct. To be on the safe side 60/40/20/10. Cheers again

 

[thesinner]

Sorry, i got my wires crossed..i read somewhere that nolvadex was roughly 60% tamoxifen...i didnt relise it was 100% the same product.. Thanks for your help. As im going for a 3wk cycle il do a 4wk post cycle therapy. To be on the safe side 60/40/20/10. Cheers again

be sure to check out the post cycle, cycle info, and other steroids sections of this forum. Just comb through the threads when you have a few to kill, and you'll really learn a lot.

 

[musle grower]

what is best tomoxifen dose after h_drol: 50/50/50/50 run::run::run:frustrate:frustrate please !!!

 

[crazyfool405]

I assume you want it for PCT so I will say 60, 40, 20, 20 for weeks 1, 2 ,3 and 4 of PCT.

dont use this protocol,

20/20/20/20 will be fine, use it with 10mg aromasin and ull be set.

 

[Space]

dont use this protocol,

20/20/20/20 will be fine, use it with 10mg aromasin and ull be set.

I second this, people go overboard with nolvadex these days.

 

[bpmartyr]

dont use this protocol,

20/20/20/20 will be fine, use it with 10mg aromasin and ull be set.

K, awful lot of knowledgeable persons will disagree.

Why are you recommending an AI in PCT after a non aromatizing compund?

 

[thesinner]

how do you take 10mg of something that only comes in 25mg tablets?

 

[crazyfool405]

how do you take 10mg of something that only comes in 25mg tablets?

comes in liquid, lol

25 mg tablets can work also
i have something on the pharmokinetics (not sure of the exact word) stating 10-25 mg of aromasin will work effeciently to do the same job at the same %aromatization inhibition.

 

[crazyfool405]

K, awful lot of knowledgeable persons will disagree.

Why are you recommending an AI in PCT after a non aromatizing compund?

#1 becacuse it works
#2 because the test estrogen ratio will be altered meaning theres less testosterone then estrogen and that will keep the hypothalmus shut down, and impair recovery, so lower estrogen but dont kill it, while increaseing testosterone will aid recovery.

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

#1 becacuse it works
#2 because the test estrogen ratio will be altered meaning theres less testosterone then estrogen and that will keep the hypothalmus shut down, and impair recovery, so lower estrogen but dont kill it, while increaseing testosterone will aid recovery.

You really know your stuff.

There seem to be reports of either estrogen receptors or aromatase enzymes "upregulating" during AI use. How can we avoid this upregulation? It seems like it happens with steroidal AI's like ATD (although maybe it doesn't with Aromasin but I'm not sure).

 

[crazyfool405]

You really know your stuff.

There seem to be reports of either estrogen receptors or aromatase enzymes "upregulating" during AI use. How can we avoid this upregulation? It seems like it happens with steroidal AI's like ATD (although maybe it doesn't with Aromasin but I'm not sure).

i would assume you mean after a cycle and only because they have been tied up for some time. but i feel that its a slow transition after the use of an AI and that slow transition along with the bodys natural ability to maintain homeostasis, will ensure no such rebound IMO

that what you were asking?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

i would assume you mean after a cycle and only because they have been tied up for some time. but i feel that its a slow transition after the use of an AI and that slow transition along with the bodys natural ability to maintain homeostasis, will ensure no such rebound IMO

that what you were asking?

More or less. By the way I downloaded the AI articles you had on Tripdog's log. Kudos! Great info.

Well that's what my concern was, that even with suicide inhibitor's like Aromasin or ATD, would the body's natural ability to maintain homeostasis make up for the suicide inhibition by making twice as many (or just more) aromatase then before?

The studies suggest that with exemestane that the supression of aromatase is maintained, but then I read of all these people on here getting rebound off of ATD.

 

[crazyfool405]

More or less. By the way I downloaded the AI articles you had on Tripdog's log. Kudos! Great info.

Well that's what my concern was, that even with suicide inhibitor's like Aromasin or ATD, would the body's natural ability to maintain homeostasis make up for the suicide inhibition by making twice as many (or just more) aromatase then before?

The studies suggest that with exemestane that the supression of aromatase is maintained, but then I read of all these people on here getting rebound off of ATD.

its both a competitive inhibitor and mechanism based inhibitor i believe .... , but i dont think the body will over produce aromatase ,

im goin to bed ill check the thread in the morning

if you downloaded all the AI studies, look for competitive and mechanism based inhibitors and how they work.

 

[ShiftyCapone]

I second this, people go overboard with nolvadex these days.

Like this guy for example:

what is best tomoxifen dose after h_drol: 50/50/50/50 run::run::run:frustrate:frustrate please !!!

You don't need to run "tomoxifen" for a halo PCT... But you should maybe look into things a bit more before you start messing around with PHs, let alone SERMs.