Nocotine Patches To Stop Gyno

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Nicotine is a know AI. Ive actually read a few logs on other boards where people would actualy put nicotine patches on their breasts as soon as symptoms if Gyno would show up. The crazy thing is that it works!!

I was wondering if any of you guys have tried or heard of this before??
 
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in highschool whenever i went out partying and had a couple of cigs i would wake up the next morning with my nipples as hard as rocks. never heard of the nicotine patch to the nipple approach though.

If nicotine was an estrogen receptor antagonist then applying a patch directly to the nipple should work. however, it is an AI from what i understand and an AI will lower estrogen levels over the entire body, not just the nipple. Ai's attatch to the aromatase enzyme as opposed to the estrogen receptor.

I have heard of people using transdermal tamoxifen directly on the nipple with successful results.
 
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From Anthony Roberts (author, semi-genious)
One really weird thing that I did awhile back was that I started getting slightly painful nipples (gyno) from a cycle where I was using some pretty high doses of steroids that aromatize to estrogen. I didn't have any aromatase inhibitors on hand, which is kind of a silly mistake on my part. This was awhile ago, and the soonest I was going to be able to get my hands on some Arimidex or whatever was a week.

Nicotine, however, is a well known inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme, and that's one of the reasons women who smoke have lowered estrogen levels. Anyway, I went to the drugstore and got some nicotine gum and used that until I could get a proper aromatase inhibitor. My gyno pain and symptoms went away in about two days. It's not perfect, and was poor planning on my part, but it worked.





Tobacco alkaloid derivatives as inhibitors of breast cancer aromatase.
Kadohama N, Shintani K, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, N.Y. 14203.

The inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis by the use of aromatase inhibitors is emerging as a valuable approach to breast cancer therapy. Because smoking has a profound effect on estrogen-related processes we examined the ability of tobacco constituents to suppress estrogen production by breast cancer aromatase. N-n-octanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl) anabasine suppressed aromatase activity in culture of two human breast cancer cell lines, MDA-MB-231 (IC50 of 310 and 20 microM, respectively) and SK-BR-3 (IC50 of 450 and approximately 2 microM, respectively). MDA-MB-231 cells induced by 250 nM dexamethasone or 1 mM (Bt)2cAMP were slightly more sensitive to both inhibitors. Kinetic analyses showed that inhibition by N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)anabasine is competitive with respect to androstenedione as substrate, with apparent Ki values of 0.2 microM against microsomal aromatase activity derived from both (Bt)2cAMP-induced MDA-MB-231 cells and human breast tumor tissue. The corresponding apparent Ki against human placental microsomal aromatase activity was 0.4 microM. These results indicate that acyl derivatives of nornicotine and anabasine block estrogen formation in breast tumor cells and tissue and could contribute to the decreased intra-tissue estrogen levels in women who smoke.

PMID: 8313352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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Competitive inhibition of human placental aromatase by N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other nornicotine derivatives.
Bullion K, Ohnishi S, Osawa Y.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, NY 14203.

In a study of the effect of N-n-octanoylnornicotine and other acyl derivatives of nornicotine on the aromatization of androstenedione by human placental microsomal aromatase, we found that N-n-octanoylnornicotine, a component of cigarette smoke, exhibited competitive inhibition with an apparent Ki of 0.65 microM. This is comparable to that of aminoglutethimide, the clinically-used non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor. N-n-Decanoylnornicotine and N-(4-hydroxyundecanoyl)nornicotine exhibited apparent Ki values of 0.86 microM and 0.24 microM, respectively. This study suggests that cigarette smoke components may have a direct effect on estrogen biosynthesis and that these compounds may prove to be useful parent structures for development of active site probes for further elucidation of estrogen biosynthesis and might eventually lead to the development of alternative non-steroidal anti-cancer therapy.

PMID: 1811989 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Aromatase inhibitors in cigarette smoke, tobacco leaves and other plants.
Osawa Y, ochigi B, Tochigi M, Ohnishi S, Watanabe Y, Bullion K, Osawa G, Nakabayashi Y, Yarborough C.

Endocrine Biochemistry Department, Medical Foundation of Buffalo Research Institute, NY 14203.

A chance observation that cigarette smoke interferes with the aromatase assay led us to investigate tobacco leaf and smoke extracts for the presence of aromatase inhibitors. The highest inhibitory activity was found in the basic fraction of cigarette smoke. Further purification of this fraction led to the identification of N-n-octanoylnornicotine. Synthesis and testing of a series of acylated nornicotines and anabasines for their ability to inhibit aromatase showed an interesting correlation of activity with the length of the acyl carbon chain, with maximum activity at C-11. The acylated derivatives showed activity which was significantly greater than that of nicotine and anabasine. In vivo studies in rats indicated that administration of this inhibitor delayed the onset of NMU-induced breast carcinoma and altered the estrus cycle. These in vivo studies suggest that tobacco alkaloid derivatives exert their effects by suppression of the aromatase enzyme system. Toxicity studies indicated relatively low toxicity with LD50 for N-n-octanoylnornicotine = 367 mg/kg body weight. When extracts from thirty five varieties of vegetables, plant leaves, and fruits were analyzed, seventeen showed quantitatively significant aromatase inhibition which was comparable to that of green tobacco leaf, suggesting that naturally occurring substances may affect endocrine function through aromatase inhibition.

PMID: 2098524 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Nicotine and estrogen metabolism--possible implications of smoking for growth and outcome of treatment of hormone-dependent cancer? Discussion of experimental results.
Zeller WJ, Berger MR.

Institute of Toxicology and Chemotherapy, German Cancer Research Center, Heidelberg.

The combination treatment of hormone-dependent autochthonous mammary carcinomas in the rat with nicotine plus HECNU, a water-soluble nitrosourea, resulted in a potentiation of antitumor action. Nicotine and its metabolite cotinine are strong inhibitors of the aromatase. With regard to investigations in smoking women, suggesting a decreased endogenous estrogen production, our results indicate that smoking might influence growth and treatment results of hormone-dependent human cancer.

PMID: 2606936 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




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Constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit human granulosa cell aromatase.
Barbieri RL, McShane PM, Ryan KJ.

Recent epidemiologic studies suggest that women smokers have lower endogenous estrogen levels than nonsmokers. The effects of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke on aromatase were evaluated in cultures of human granulosa cells. Aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke inhibited the conversion of androstenedione (delta 4A) to estradiol in a dose-dependent manner. Dialysis experiments demonstrated that 90% of the inhibitory activity of aqueous extracts of cigarette smoke was in the less than 1000 mol wt fraction. Removal of the aqueous extract of cigarette smoke from the culture medium resulted in a complete reversal of the inhibition of delta 4A aromatization. Addition of supraphysiologic concentrations of delta 4A (73 microM) to the culture medium blocked the smoke-induced inhibition of aromatization. Two low-molecular-weight components of cigarette smoke, nicotine and anabasine, inhibited granulosa cell aromatase in a dose-dependent manner. These studies suggest that constituents of cigarette smoke inhibit a major steroidogenic pathway.




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Nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibit aromatase in human trophoblast in vitro.
Barbieri RL, Gochberg J, Ryan KJ.

Epidemiologic studies suggest that women who smoke have lower endogenous estrogen than nonsmokers. To explore the possible link between cigarette smoking and decreased endogenous estrogens, we have examined the effects of constituents of tobacco on estrogen production in human choriocarcinoma cells and term placental microsomes. In choriocarcinoma cell cultures, nicotine, cotinine (a major metabolite of nicotine), and anabasine (a minor component of cigarette tobacco) all inhibited androstenedione conversion to estrogen in a dose-dependent fashion. Removal of nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine from the culture medium resulted in the complete reversal of the inhibition of aromatase. In the choriocarcinoma cell cultures, a supraphysiologic concentration of androstenedione (73 microM) in the culture medium blocked the inhibition of aromatase caused by nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine. In preparations of term placental microsomes, nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibited the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. Kinetic analysis demonstrated the inhibition to be competitive with respect to the substrate. These findings suggest that some nicotinic alkaloids directly inhibit aromatase. This mechanism may explain, in part, the decreased estrogen observed in women who smoke.

PMID: 3711333 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
bioman

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I've done the topical nolva before and it did seem to help.

Stop finding uses for nicotine...I could get addicted to the stuff in like an hour. lol
 

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its been three years since my last cigarrate, after i smoked continiously for 13 years, i've never know that nicotine has an advantage of being AI , thats kinda wierd
 
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lol, i'd be willing to try this, if i wasn't so afraid of falling into addiction again! :whiner:
 
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Time to go to the mini mart and pick up a pack of "Lucky Nips". Now if they linked beer and to fatloss, I'm gonna be ripped this football season!
 

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I don't know man. I started smoking when I was about 12 years old. I got pubertal Gyno when I was 14. It seems like the smokes might have helped prevent that.

BTW, I quit smoking about a year and a half ago. Of course I have had a pretty bad gyno flare up from M1T. Maybe some smokes would have helped. Maybe I should go get a pack now and see if I can get this stubborn ass gyno to shrink up a little. :run:
 

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sounds like a novel idea, but i don't think it would be practical. you'd probably pass out within half an hour having two nicotine patches on your nipples, especially to non-smokers.

a single patch delivers the amount of nicotine in 24 non-light cigarettes.
 
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sounds like a novel idea, but i don't think it would be practical. you'd probably pass out within half an hour having two nicotine patches on your nipples, especially to non-smokers.

a single patch delivers the amount of nicotine in 24 non-light cigarettes.
chewing nicotine gun is another route
 

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Yeah, but I've also heard of nicotine being used for localized fat loss. If you could mobilize some of the nipple fat maybe you could at least reduce the puffyness.

However, like Omar said, I don't think I could handle the rush from two patches.
 

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