PCT Question (Toremifene)

[364DP]

Hey guys I was hoping you could offer a little guidance. I'm currently 4 days into my 3rd wk of post cycle therapy after a 12 wk test cyce (my first). Results were great, went from 208 to 230 and am now holding steady at 227 with only a little strength lost and my body fat down a touch to 14-15%.

However, my PCT protocol has changed a couple times since I started it and I wanted to make sure I'm still on the right track. Basically I had planned on running the standard serm inverse to ATD PCT that Dr D recomended a while ago and as outlined below:

wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d,
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d
wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d
wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Fenugreek
wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Fenugreek
wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Fenugreek

However, I was low on the Nolva (I had been taking a small dose every couple days while on just to be safe) and so instead of ordering more Nolva or just saying screw it and going Clomid the whole way I decided to jump on the bandwagon and give Toremifene a try in place of the Nolva.

However, my gf keeps making surprise visits (she lives several states away) and since the first one came in the first week of PCT, Idropped the RXT after like 4 days to help my libido. I also stared taking Fenugreek and Tribulus at 1.5 dosage. This worked somewhat and she left after a few days and I thought that was that. I went back on the RXT and dropped the Fen and Trib to normal doses.

About 4 days ago I found out that my gf is making a week long surprise visit in a few days. My libido is in the shi++er right now and having used RXT before I'm pretty confident that's a large part of it. So I stopped taking the RXT again about 3 days ago. I'm unsure of whether this is a bad idea. Obvioulsy plenty of people run SERM only PCTs but I'm just wondering if, since my dosages of everything were set up with RXT in the mix, I need to take a larger dose of Tor?

Up to now this is what my PCT has ended up looking like

wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate, Fenugreek, Trib (stopped RXT after 4 days)
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate, Fenugreek, Trib
wk3: Tor 90mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate, Fenugreek, Trib

And now at the end of the 3rd week I've dropped the RXT again.


I'm usually a little anal about planning out things like this way in advance and sticking to my plan strictly so all this changing on the go is making me nervous that I may be doing something stupid that I don't know enough to avoid. I guess my main question is at what doses I should take the Tor the rest of the way? And also, when my gf leaves this second time, should I go back to the RXT or has my on/off usage pretty much made it pointless to start back up again. And lastly, I just took advantage of the USP sale and got some powerfull and symmetry and was wondering if I would notice any libido increases in a week of taking it? I'm pretty worried that I won't be "up" for the task when my gf gets here so while I know that more is not always better, I'm willing to try things right now on the off chance they might work and I'm a little worried that the Fenugreek is about to lose it effectiveness as it's been 3 weeks now and I know I've read that that's about the longest length it's good for at a time.

Sorry that was so long, any thoughts or advice would be great, thanks yall.

 

[Pitbull954]

For your libido there is something out there that is blue, its a liquid you spray in your mouth, if you take to much you get a headache, for the life of me I can't think of the name maybe someone out there knows what I'm talking about. I will find the name out sometime today, hopefully someone will chime in with the name.

 

[Mr.50]

IMHO I think you dosage of Tor and overall plan still look ok at this time. 90mgs of Tor is good, 120mgs for the first few days is better but 90 is fine. Also throw the Fen and Trib back in the mix and maybe try to get some powdered Yohimbe Bark. Try to make sure it is the powdered, the HCL of the Bark extract does not seem to have the same effect for me, but the powdered it great on my libido, (of course try to look into this, and hear from others becasue it may have natrually occurring androgens in the powdered version which would be bad on PCT. If this is the case then drop the last reccomendation. I am sure someone around here will know the answer to that.) As Far as the Tor you should be good.


Mr.50

 

[364DP]

Ok thanks for the replys. Just to clarify though, should I run the Tor at 90mg / day the rest of the way (through wk 5)? I was planning on dropping it to 60 back when I was gonna be on the RXT in addition so idk, let me know what yall think. And last thing, is it a waste to take Activate and Powerfull at the same time? I know they're often compared in terms of being a couple of the more effective natural supplements for test increase but from what I've read they seem to work in rather different ways so would it be ok to throw the Powerful in the mix? I'm kinda in a "everything but the kitchen sink" mentality right now so if this is a stupid idea by all means let me know as it's what i'm currently planning on doing. So, not thinking in terms of money so much, but just in terms of the laws of diminishing returns, is this too much? Like obvisously I won't see the full effects of all of this probably and that's fine, but if there's going to be no difference between taking something or not taking it, I'd rather save it.

Tor
Activate
DHEA
Vitrix
Powerfull
Fenugreek
Symmetry
Sesathin
CEE
AAKG
MACA

Thanks guys. Oh, and btw, although my libido is down, I think I'm already starting to make gains in the gym again from taking all this stuff possibly? I feel almost like back in the second or third week or so of the cycle when the test e was just starting to kick. My strength has gone back up to where it was at the end of the cycle and I've gained back a few pounds as well, not really something I was expecting during PCT but a very welcome surprise. I'm also eating damn near perfect being home from school now which is helping (thanks fitday). Anyway, I'm pretty sure my natural test is kicking back in pretty well, hopefully the desire will follow shortly. Thanks again.

 

[Mr.50]

If you have the supplies and the money then go with the 90mgs of Tor per day but if supplies or money is tight I think that 60mgs by this stage of PCT should be enough.

As far as the Pwderfull and Activate goes I had really good luck with Powerful and not so good luck with the Beta run of Activate (tons of joint pains) so I am probably not the right guy to ask. The rest of the stuff, if money is no object looks pretty good.

Mr.50

 

[juggernaut333]

i highly suggest the powerfull..the old formula using the muira puama.stuff makes me hornier than hell and helps withh performance as well..pct or no pct!

torm is something i just came over to research as well for an alternative to nolv so its nice to find this thread.

i would keep it a bit more simple though.why overload your system with a bunch of stuff .keep it simple and effective for pct imo.more is not always better