Jungle Warfare in PCT??

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I recently came across some Jungle Warfare. Would it be a good idea to throw it in with my planned PCT of Nolva, HCG and creatine?

Since its an herbal, it wont have any negative effects being ran directly after a cycle of test, would it?

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It IS designed to be be a part of a PCT arsenal.
 
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Robo, I wouldn't use HCG for PCT if I were you, it's better used during a cycle
 

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Damn is it really meant to be part of a PCT? If so, I will order some tonight.
 
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Robo, I wouldn't use HCG for post cycle therapy if I were you, it's better used during a cycle
Why is that? Everyone I have talked to (huge guys that have been juicing for years) say it is the best PCT drug they have ever used.
 
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Why is that? Everyone I have talked to (huge guys that have been juicing for years) say it is the best post cycle therapy drug they have ever used.
Size doesnt equal knowledge. Here is a copy of Swale's article that will help you get started in your research... don't be afraid to use the search feature.


SWALE post cycle therapy Protocol

Since I've been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my post cycle therapy Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.

Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!

Here it is:

I advise my anabolic steroids patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of anabolic steroids (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge�. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool� the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
 
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I recently came across some Jungle Warfare. Would it be a good idea to throw it in with my planned post cycle therapy of Nolva, HCG and creatine?

Since its an herbal, it wont have any negative effects being ran directly after a cycle of test, would it?

Thanks guys
There won't be any negative effects of running it during post cycle therapy. In fact, I plan to run some during my PCT.
 
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There won't be any negative effects of running it during post cycle therapy. In fact, I plan to run some during my post cycle therapy.

You mean Jungle Warfare and not HCG, right?

Will there be adverse effects of running HCG afterwards with nolva? You didnt seem to mention it in your longer (and excellent) post.
 
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You mean Jungle Warfare and not HCG, right?

Will there be adverse effects of running HCG afterwards with nolva? You didnt seem to mention it in your longer (and excellent) post.
Except for fuller, and more productive nuts?? No other adverse effects.
 
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It would appear duplicative if one already has an AI in the post cycle therapy protocol.
Are you indicating that JW functions as an AI YR? If this is true I didn't know that, as it will have impact on my other decisions. And...
 
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Are you indicating that JW functions as an AI YR? If this is true I didn't know that, as it will have impact on my other decisions. And...
"What’s In It?

Naturally, our design was intended to have a synergistic effect in that one compound’s actions amplifies the others. (I am sure some can think of comparisons to this important point of design)

The result is a synergistic Pro-hypertrophic from ALRI featuring an Herbal Proprietary Myotrophic Complex. (Get the name Jungle Warfare™ yet?)

ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-1,4,6-trien-3-one-17-ol)
Many are aware of both the positive and negative physiological issues relating to the naturally occurring aromatase inhibitory ATD. Most of the benefits are the result of one of its physiological 17-OH metabolites. ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability. Please, do not confuse this with ATD itself as the difference is very important both in structure and action: Some may recall this one from our Ultra H.O.T.ter matrix but to recap…By modulating estrogen build-up the negative feed-back look to the hypothalamus is put in check. The result is that the body optimizes natural testosterone production. We use our favorite aromatase inhibitor to do this and it works pretty well to modulate, instead of obliterate, estrogen. So we still have the right amount of estrogen for optimal growth of lean tissue and positive libido, without the excess water weight and fat feeding aspect.
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From this write-up, I'm taking this to mean that this ADED is similar if not identical to the mATD contained in Ultra Hotter. Whatever it is, they identify it as an AI in their website write-up.
 

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Ok so to clarify..

Jungle Warfare is okay to include in a PCT along with Nolva, DHEA, Fenugreek, and Retain?

Someone just please sign off before I order tomorrow.
 
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Ok so to clarify..

Jungle Warfare is okay to include in a post cycle therapy along with Nolva, DHEA, Fenugreek, and Retain?

Someone just please sign off before I order tomorrow.
It's a relatively new compound but since it contains an AI and a nettle extract which should bind with SHBG and increase free testosterone, then my guess would be yes.

Your NOLVA is a SERM. Your DHEA has anti-cortisol and other effects. Your fenugreek is supposed to increase LH through mechanisms which it is my understanding aren't well understood, and your Retain is anti-cortisol.

Thus, if you were to include JW, it looks like it would fit the categories normally filled by an AI and a product like DS' Activate.
 

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