PCT without SERM

remarc · 05-17-2006, 03:58 PM

Is it a SERM really a must for a PCT therapy after one month of Superdrol, assuming I am using all the other products suggested ( Rebound, Activate, Fenugreek, DHEA etc. etc )?
I know from reading previous posts on this topic you guys are saying its good to have some Nolva at hand just in case...but what if I dont? Whats the worst thing that can happen after only 30 days of Superdrol and no SERM? Is everybody here using SERM in PCT therapy?

**PumpingIron** · 05-17-2006, 04:00 PM

SERMS are a must, especially after a SD 4 weeker.

idunk42 · 05-17-2006, 04:01 PM

There's no reason not to have a SERM for post cycle therapy. It doesnt make sense not to use one.

**PumpingIron** · 05-17-2006, 04:02 PM

You are running the risk of gyno, severe shutdown, and very much lowered T production...

xtraflossy · 05-17-2006, 04:02 PM

There is no excuse for you not to have it just in case.
It is (in some cases) cheaper then other PCT products. Its about $30.00.
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While you can get away without it, it it not advised. You know that "just in case" everyone says,.... that only has to happen once before you have it on hand at ALL times. (PCT, in your car, at the movies, on dates,...)

In other words, why chance it.

**myfathersboy** · 05-17-2006, 09:56 PM

Naw....SERM is not really needed....I mean sh1t....Imagine how much fun you're gonna have with your new boobies...All of your freinds will start showing up at your house at all hours of the night wanting to play basketball....and think of all the attention you'll get at the gym while running on the treadmill!! Nothing but good times baby!!! Think about the fun you can have in the shower....MMMMMM, soapy man boobs......

**Ronin13** · 05-17-2006, 10:01 PM

Doode... that was funny as sh1t and it is going in my sig

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Originally Posted by myfathersboy

Naw....SERM is not really needed....I mean sh1t....Imagine how much fun you're gonna have with your new boobies...All of your freinds will start showing up at your house at all hours of the night wanting to play basketball....and think of all the attention you'll get at the gym while running on the treadmill!! Nothing but good times baby!!! Think about the fun you can have in the shower....MMMMMM, soapy man boobs......

**myfathersboy** · 05-17-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Doode... that was funny as sh1t and it is going in my sig

Aw, shucks....

I'm getting all misty-eyed over here....I said something sig-worthy!!!!

**rocketscientist** · 05-18-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PumpingIron

You are running the risk of gyno, severe shutdown, and very much lowered T production...

... where the latter two may cause you to lose all the gains you made.

On the other hand I believe drd said that he doesn't use a serm after superdrol to bring t-levels back up. But then, why take the risks?

And then there is still the possible issue with gyno.

william3162 · 05-18-2006, 02:16 PM

You have to be really stupid to not run a SERM in a PCT of Superdrol.

**rocketscientist** · 05-18-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by william3162

You have to be really stupid to not run a SERM in a post cycle therapy of Superdrol.

Dr. D post cycle therapy question

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Originally Posted by DR.D

... After an superdrol 4 weeker I did, all I used for PCT was Fen/DHEA for a 4 week PCT...

3,4,5,6 pills on the fen (which is as long as it works, 4 wks max) and 100mg morning + 100mg more at noon DHEA. Works great for low suppression 4 wk or less cycles. So basically, Nolva or RXT would probably work comparably well.

So - what should I conclude from this...

Nah - just kidding...

BDAWG · 05-18-2006, 05:36 PM

You know, I don't understand why EVERYONE preaches SERM use. Me and a buddy of mine each ran 4 week Superdrol cycles about a 8 months ago. Neither one of us used a SERM, just RXT and Lean Extreme. Neither one of us had any ill sides.

About 2 months ago, we ran the same cycle, except this time I used Nolva, PCT, and Retain, and he used only PCT and Retain. Now I have gyno, and he's fine. What gives?

Mulletsoldier · 05-18-2006, 05:39 PM

That is interesting, but most likely due to the Superdrol not the Novla. I also had a friend that got gyno on his second SD cycle, though I am not implying anything because the 'G' word is a heavy label to throw around. How, and at what point did your start dosing your Tamixofen?

**myfathersboy** · 05-18-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BDAWG

You know, I don't understand why EVERYONE preaches SERM use. Me and a buddy of mine each ran 4 week Superdrol cycles about a 8 months ago. Neither one of us used a SERM, just RXT and Lean Extreme. Neither one of us had any ill sides.

About 2 months ago, we ran the same cycle, except this time I used Nolva, post cycle therapy, and Retain, and he used only PCT and Retain. Now I have gyno, and he's fine. What gives?

Do a search on 'superdrol and delayed gyno'.....

Also, trying to compare your results with a friends' can not be considered 'evidence'....everyone is different, the majority of the bodybuilding population have found that using SERM during PCT signifigantly reduces the chances of gyno and helps keep gains. Period.

Will you definately get gyno from a 4 week cycle? No. Will you definately not get gyno using a SERM. No, there are no guarantees. But why risk it?

BDAWG · 05-19-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by myfathersboy

Do a search on 'superdrol and delayed gyno'.....

Also, trying to compare your results with a friends' can not be considered 'evidence'....everyone is different, the majority of the bodybuilding population have found that using SERM during post cycle therapy signifigantly reduces the chances of gyno and helps keep gains. Period.

Will you definately get gyno from a 4 week cycle? No. Will you definately not get gyno using a SERM. No, there are no guarantees. But why risk it?

Yes, I've heard ALL about Superdrol and delayed gyno, no need to read it again.

I never said comparing my buddy's results with mine should be considered evidence. I am well aware everyone's body is different. I was simply stating that a SERM will NOT necessarily keep anyone from getting gyno, and I don't think it's a "must" in everyones PCT. It's worked just fine for me without it before. Only stating my opinion here. No need to discuss it further. I'll never take Pro-hormones again, this **** ****ed my body up even after proper PCT.

To Mulletsolider, I started dosing 40/40/20/20 the day after my last Superdrol, also ramped down everything else I was taking. Everything seemed to be doing fine, kept most gains, the boys were back in full effect and libido was through the roof. A week later I get a lump, and am still battling with it.

**myfathersboy** · 05-19-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BDAWG

Yes, I've heard ALL about Superdrol and delayed gyno, no need to read it again.

I never said comparing my buddy's results with mine should be considered evidence. I am well aware everyone's body is different. I was simply stating that a SERM will NOT necessarily keep anyone from getting gyno, and I don't think it's a "must" in everyones post cycle therapy. It's worked just fine for me without it before. Only stating my opinion here. No need to discuss it further. I'll never take Pro-hormones again, this **** ****ed my body up even after proper PCT.

To Mulletsolider, I started dosing 40/40/20/20 the day after my last Superdrol, also ramped down everything else I was taking. Everything seemed to be doing fine, kept most gains, the boys were back in full effect and libido was through the roof. A week later I get a lump, and am still battling with it.

Geez....Take it easy gangsta, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything....I seem to have offended in some way, not intentional I assure you

As for your continued bout with gyno, do a search in...PCT forum, I think? Anyway, there is a great thread in which DR.D Helps a young man clear up a case of gyno much like yours...You could probably follow nearly the same protocol that this chap did and have a good chance of clearing up this little gyno problem of yours. Just some food for thought. Good luck.

BDAWG · 05-19-2006, 01:23 PM

Yeah, sorry man. It's hard to read tone of voice over the internet. No hard feelings, and thanks. I'll try to look for that thread.