Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle?

jad5306 · 04-27-2006, 11:36 AM

what is atd and hgc

**not_big_enuf** · 04-27-2006, 11:54 AM

UberPooper1 · 04-28-2006, 12:43 PM

big cats a douche. if you are scared of gyno when only using an atd, just keep some nolva on hand. if gyno doesnt pop up, then at least you can say you were ready for it if it did.

**bioman** · 04-28-2006, 02:22 PM

That about sums up the entire thread in one sentence. Thanks Uber

**Beowulf** · 04-28-2006, 04:58 PM

Hey Bio and Dr. D:

Do either of you (or anyone else) know if it is aromatase that can convert DHEA to E? If so, ATD makes even more sense in PCT.

**DR.D** · 04-29-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hey Bio and Dr. D:

Do either of you (or anyone else) know if it is aromatase that can convert DHEA to E? If so, ATD makes even more sense in PCT.

Like I've said, DHEA can't form estrogen directly. It can form androstenediol (the mixed 3,17 alpha/beta isomers of the 5-ene version, not 4AD though) by action of 3b-hydroxydehydrogenase. That contributes a great deal to test production apparently, and this metabolite can in turn form test by the action of the isomerase enzyme. Isomerase also converts DHEA into androstenedione. Andro is the common intermediate in the 4-ene pathway and it can be easily aromatized into estradione. 5AD however, mainly amplifies the effects of other circulating hormones. So yes, ATD makes great sense during a PCT using DHEA because if there is no estrogen in the system, the estrogenic effects of 5AD are quite negligible. Plus, any andro generated from DHEA as a precursor will not be subject to aromatization and be more available to support test production.

Bottom line: Taking the right amount of DHEA during PCT with the right ancillaries does not promote further suppression, but in fact supports recovery of endogenous gonadal steroid biosynthesis! I don't care what anybody says. It just works, and only a fool holds on to his stupid little studies when real life proof shows otherwise.

**Pitbull954** · 04-29-2006, 02:26 PM

The sign should say my name is Dr. D now kneel suckers!!!

**Beowulf** · 04-29-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DR.D

Like I've said, DHEA can't form estrogen directly. It can form androstenediol (the mixed 3,17 alpha/beta isomers of the 5-ene version, not 4AD though) by action of 3b-hydroxydehydrogenase. That contributes a great deal to test production apparently, and this metabolite can in turn form test by the action of the isomerase enzyme. Isomerase also converts DHEA into androstenedione. Andro is the common intermediate in the 4-ene pathway and it can be easily aromatized into estradione. 5AD however, mainly amplifies the effects of other circulating hormones. So yes, ATD makes great sense during a PCT using DHEA because if there is no estrogen in the system, the estrogenic effects of 5AD are quite negligible. Plus, any andro generated from DHEA as a precursor will not be subject to aromatization and be more available to support test production.

Bottom line: Taking the right amount of DHEA during PCT with the right ancillaries does not promote further suppression, but in fact supports recovery of endogenous gonadal steroid biosynthesis! I don't care what anybody says. It just works, and only a fool holds on to his stupid little studies when real life proof shows otherwise.

Yeah, that is exactly what I was going to say

Thanks, D. I was just thinking about DHEA and AI's and it seemed logical.

BTW, I'm on day 5 of PCT and I'm still gettin' down like a champ with the lil' lady

Shouldn't the DHEA be supressing this?

Where's BC to explain this one

**bioman** · 04-29-2006, 02:59 PM

He's busy not working out.

Mr. Methyl · 04-29-2006, 10:54 PM

Chances are that I will not be doing a PCT after Superdrol. It simply does not say anything about PCT on the bottle. This isn't a real steroid, and it is altered in a way that in all likelyhood is designed to be used without PCT, for the recreational bodybuilder.

On the other hand I have some Methyl Masterdrol and some Methyl 1-A and it says to do a PCT, so of course I will do a PCT with those. (if I choose to do them) But, I will only be using what they recommend. IF I have problems the doctor will help me out with some clomid or HCG or whatever.

I believe that superdrol has an anti estrogen, and it is not a good product to be used with other prohormones/prosteroids. Possibly not for 6 months.

On top of that, there is a good chance I will use superdrol, and never use another prohormone again. I believe that this drug stays active in your system for a long time after you stop taking it, in some form or another.

If I get a gain of 15-20 lbs. and retain a solid 12-14 lbs. post cycle I will be damn happy, and provided my bloodwork is okay I will do nothing.

I am no expert and I am only going on second hand information and instinct here. PCT drugs are not something I want to play around with.

Plus, from what I have seen all you can get out of prohormones/prosteroids is 15-20 lbs. of muscle, and that is it. Its very foolish to continue to do one cycle after another of these drugs, because they are very toxic, and have unknown effects. Especially when more then one of these drugs is in the system at once.

I have yet to hear of anyone making gains of more then 15-20 lbs. in thier first cycle and then doing a second cycle were they gained any size at all.

Why not just do one cycle, gain 10-20 lbs. (and be thankful) and then move on to real steroids?

**not_big_enuf** · 04-29-2006, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Methyl

Chances are that I will not be doing a PCT after Superdrol. It simply does not say anything about PCT on the bottle. This isn't a real steroid, and it is altered in a way that in all likelyhood is designed to be used without PCT, for the recreational bodybuilder.

On the other hand I have some Methyl Masterdrol and some Methyl 1-A and it says to do a PCT, so of course I will do a PCT with those. (if I choose to do them) But, I will only be using what they recommend. IF I have problems the doctor will help me out with some clomid or HCG or whatever.

I believe that superdrol has an anti estrogen, and it is not a good product to be used with other prohormones/prosteroids. Possibly not for 6 months.

On top of that, there is a good chance I will use superdrol, and never use another prohormone again. I believe that this drug stays active in your system for a long time after you stop taking it, in some form or another.

If I get a gain of 15-20 lbs. and retain a solid 12-14 lbs. post cycle I will be damn happy, and provided my bloodwork is okay I will do nothing.

I am no expert and I am only going on second hand information and instinct here. PCT drugs are not something I want to play around with.

Plus, from what I have seen all you can get out of prohormones/prosteroids is 15-20 lbs. of muscle, and that is it. Its very foolish to continue to do one cycle after another of these drugs, because they are very toxic, and have unknown effects. Especially when more then one of these drugs is in the system at once.

I have yet to hear of anyone making gains of more then 15-20 lbs. in thier first cycle and then doing a second cycle were they gained any size at all.

Why not just do one cycle, gain 10-20 lbs. (and be thankful) and then move on to real steroids?

**jmh80** · 04-29-2006, 11:07 PM

Good joke Methyl.

Way to make fun of the retards on this forum.

**bioman** · 04-29-2006, 11:08 PM

Please tell me he is kidding.

Mr. Methyl · 04-29-2006, 11:15 PM

Superdrol has an anti estrogen in it that is supposed to kick in later. Adding PCT's to the compound may be what is causing so many people to get GYNO from it.

I am not talking about a few people, I'm seeing a lot of people who are getting gyno from it and they all did PCT.

The bloodwork will prove my theory. If I am wrong then of course I will just start using a PCT right away.

The other thing about this stuff that nearly everyone is saying is its more toxic, and has more side effects then real steroids, and is nowere near as effective.

See my point? Just go with the Superdrol, and do it for one cycle, and then never touch another prohormone/prosteroid again.

And I have yet to see were is says PCT is required by the company that makes Superdrol.

I could be wrong...but I want the bloodwork done anyway so I'm really not taking any risks.

Its just that there is evidence this stuff stays active in the system for months after using it. Mixing this with M1T or other methylated prohormones that we know nothing about just seems stupid. (as some people are taking in 4-6 different compounds over a 3 month period, not counting all the PCT's)

ripped218 · 04-29-2006, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Methyl

Superdrol has an anti estrogen in it that is supposed to kick in later. Adding PCT's to the compound may be what is causing so many people to get GYNO from it.

I am not talking about a few people, I'm seeing a lot of people who are getting gyno from it and they all did PCT.

The bloodwork will prove my theory. If I am wrong then of course I will just start using a PCT right away.

The other thing is that this stuff just isn't nearly everyone is saying this stuff is more toxic, and has more side effects then real steroids, and is nowere near as effective.

See my point? Just go with the Superdrol, and do it for one cycle, and then never touch another prohormone/prosteroid again.

And I have yet to see were is says PCT is required by the company that makes Superdrol.

I could be wrong...but I want the bloodwork done anyway so I'm really not taking any risks.

Its just that there is evidence this stuff stays active in the system for months after using it. Mixing this with M1T or other methylated prohormones that we know nothing about just seems stupid. (as some people are taking in 4-6 different compounds over a 3 month period, not counting all the PCT's)

I hope you like having tits and no balls.