Originally Posted by Cordeen

Tell me I am reading this right. Is a 3-4 week cycle of pheraplex an uncomplicated cycle?...if so then Rebound XT alone could be used for PCT along with Retain maybe?...

..and may I ask the reasoning behind starting Activate during the last week or 2 of such a cycle?...to raise free test as well as estrogen levels?

Right now I am 2 weeks into a 4 week Pheraplex cycle and products I have for PCT are Rebound Xt, Retain, Activate, 6OXO, ZMA and 20 tabs of Nolva @20mgs. If this is all overkill then I'd cut back.

Thanks

Yes, I'd call that an uncomplicated cycle. Even with strongly suppressive orals like methyltest, I always bounced hard with no SERM, after short cycles I mean. As the exception, I would not try this with M1T though! It's not a bad idea to include a SERM if you like, it depends more on how fast you feel you recover rather than level of shutdown after just a month. There is no reason to be struggling to recover 1 month post cycle if you had a SERM and the RXT didn't fix things for you. Lower doses of both are not a bad idea either if it makes you more comfortable to include both.

Starting the ACT just before the end of the cycle is really of greater value when injectables have been used for several months prior. It may not be very useful to your purposes and you could start the first wk of PCT. Estrogen is not elevated as a rule with ACT, and I have seen several bloodwork results showing a lowered estrogen. Because free test is elevated, the lack of estrogenicity is the cool part about ACT!

Your PCT products look fine. Overkill is usually better than underkill in my experience. Like I said earlier, you could stack the Nolva and RXT (thus reducing the dose on both). However, you should not stack the RXT and 6-oxo. They act by similar mechanism and the 6-oxo could greatly dilute or inhibit the effects of the much stronger RXT.

Gave you a + rep for making this site. I will try and spread the word for all of the uniformed AAS users to go there. This will be great for elminating stupid threads by newbies asking about PCT(although I was once one of them).

Nice Job

Originally Posted by DR.D

Yes, I'd call that an uncomplicated cycle. Even with strongly suppressive orals like methyltest, I always bounced hard with no SERM, after short cycles I mean. As the exception, I would not try this with M1T though! It's not a bad idea to include a SERM if you like, it depends more on how fast you feel you recover rather than level of shutdown after just a month. There is no reason to be struggling to recover 1 month post cycle if you had a SERM and the RXT didn't fix things for you. Lower doses of both are not a bad idea either if it makes you more comfortable to include both.

Starting the ACT just before the end of the cycle is really of greater value when injectables have been used for several months prior. It may not be very useful to your purposes and you could start the first wk of PCT. Estrogen is not elevated as a rule with ACT, and I have seen several bloodwork results showing a lowered estrogen. Because free test is elevated, the lack of estrogenicity is the cool part about ACT!

Your PCT products look fine. Overkill is usually better than underkill in my experience. Like I said earlier, you could stack the Nolva and RXT (thus reducing the dose on both). However, you should not stack the RXT and 6-oxo. They act by similar mechanism and the 6-oxo could greatly dilute or inhibit the effects of the much stronger RXT.

Thank you so much for the prompt response.

Originally Posted by Cordeen

Thank you so much for the prompt response.

I'm always happy to try and help Cordeen!

ZT has taken a big step in making this link now too, since there really isn't a PCT sticky around here.

Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance

Okay. I'm going to try and take some initiative and put together an easy to remember URL as a reference page for PCT. Would anyone mind pointing out some important threads, discussions or information - wherever it may be?

I'd like to have a page set for facts and another page set for opinions.. I think this is really important so any help would be greatly appreciated...

The page is here: http://www.postcycletherapy.com

Thank you...

PCT is one of the things that entertain me almost as much as planning a cycle. The idea of loosing the hard gained muscles is dreaded for an ecto like me.

Therefore, I'm willing to offer you my help on filling information on your site.
PM or email me.

Originally Posted by Viator

Zero,

While I kknow many members of this board are up in arms against Anthony Robert's recent PCT article in Mind & Muscle

I dont remember the article, but his own PCT in the Anabolic section of Avant board is good and very well documented.

I have nothing personal against AR, but he doesnt seem willing to participate to any discussion, and I dont like that attitude.
Thats not the One and Only PCT protocol that one could follow. Its just a good one like others.

Originally Posted by DR.D

ACT should be used starting the last wk or 2 wks of a cycle and continued for not longer than 8 total wks into PCT. 6wks seems perfect to me. The first and last wk of dosing should consist of a half dose, and the wks in between full doses. It's OK to take more than the full dose too because it's effects are non-toxic and dose dependent.

Wouldn't Activate fool the body into thinking that it didn't need to restart HPTA by freeing up test?

Originally Posted by yeahright

Wouldn't Activate fool the body into thinking that it didn't need to restart HPTA by freeing up test?

You would think so, right? Not only that, but also increase estrogen levels. It's really a sweet loophole. The binder/lignand complex may have a significant oppositional effect in the hypothalamus and/or pituitary, like it does in the prostate, but I must admit that as of now, I can not fully characterize why it works so well.

One thing thats puzzled me with activate in PCT is: If you have low test in PCT then what use is there in trying increase the free fraction? I can see it being useful when not in pct but is it of much value when test levels are low?

Very nice job on the link my man, it is good to see someone took the initiative to collect valuable information and store it in an easily accessed place..This should definitely be a sticky

Originally Posted by 200wannabe

One thing thats puzzled me with activate in PCT is: If you have low test in PCT then what use is there in trying increase the free fraction? I can see it being useful when not in pct but is it of much value when test levels are low?

Maybe that's when a marginal increase would seem most apparent. I still think other factors are involved that I just have not fully quantitated for you guys yet.

Hey D I sent you an email, did you by chance get it?

Originally Posted by JonesersRX7

Hey D I sent you an email, did you by chance get it?

No, my DS mail is down right now. Get me at drdianabol@hushmail.com

Bump for an update!!! It's a great site, but could use a little updating...if you can't do ZT, I'm sure others that have the know how will help out.

Well. The site gets a decent amount of traffic considering it's #1 in Google for "post cycle therapy" - of course... I figured it would make a great reference site for anyone looking for help. However, I'm not the most knowledgeable in regards and don't have the time to research at the moment.. If anyone would be willing to help out, I'd appreciate it..

The more traffic the site gets, the better it is for this forum as it directly links here...

You should get with thesinner or at least link this from your site: No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

Wow, props for doing this.

Yeah, I agree...it's a prett sweet website!

Thank you. I added that link and another I felt was important.. Any information you'd like to contribute to this site would be greatly appreciated...