[Nate Dawg]

Well I started my dreaded pct from my 7 month cycle last week. I have been sleeping absolutely horrible lately, I had not really been having any problems until I came off. I always wake up 4 hours after I finally make it to sleep WIDE awake, if I go to bed at midnight I am up at 4am just sitting there, and if I go to bed at 3-4am I am up at 7-8 full of energy, I get a protein shake and go back to bed because I know my body needs more sleep, I have no clue why I am so awake. Usually I can just sleep sleep and sleep on if I really want to, now its a chore to stay asleep. Also been taking 750mg Magnesium before bed and upped my Melatonin to 6mg...still not helping. I have been stressed lately, just stupid things, but its like when I wake up these things instantly pop into my mind and my brain starts going 200mph and I can get myself to calm back down. I dunno if its something I am taking that is making it that much worse, because I usually dont get too stressed out. Here is the timing/dosing of what I take throughout the day currently:

Morning:
Retain- 1 cap
Activate- 1 cap
DHEA- 200mg
USPLabs C2- 3 caps
Cissus- 2 grams

Lunch:
Retain- 1 cap
Activate- 1 cap

Late afternoon:
Retain 1 cap
Activate 1 cap
USPLabs C2- 2 caps (as preworkout booster or for work, work late at a bar)
Cissus-2 grams
Animal pack multi-vitamin

Before Bed:
Clomid- 150mg
ZMA- 3 caps
Vitamin B6- 200mg
Magnesium- 750mg
Melatonin- 3-6mg

I think that is everything I am currently taking, adding powerfull/igf/fenugreek/longjack next week. Really the only things on there I havent taken before is the Retain, C2, and clomid. Havent taken activate before either, but supposedly it helps sleep. I dont know if it is one of those that is screwing up my sleep patterns, but this is starting to drive me nuts. The other night I went to sleep at 12:30am and was up at exactly 4am, laid there until 7am when I had to get up for class, had a good workout that day too which is quite weird....I never use any stimulants like the C2, and I am assuming Retain is somewhat of a stim since it increases T3, but I think I may be extremely sensitive to stims.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get this under control? Im gonna not take the C2 tomorrow and see how things go...

[Nate Dawg]

Hell, I slept better on high doses of tren, also felt better too...hmmmm

[kjkriston]

Dude its so wierd that you posted this because you described my exact problem as well. I have no idea why its happening to me. But just like you said 3-4 hours then wide awake and can;t stop thinking. I'm currently taking 20 mg SD 125mg Prostan, 4 caps Novedex XT, Liver X, Cranberry pills, 3 mg of melatonin (started last night), A multi-vitamin, ...... the melatonin def. helped me sleep harder , but not longer....any similarities to you?

[3clipseGT]

I noticed that the first few nights on retain when i used it that i didnt sleep for ****. It sucked!!

That may be the problem if ur sensitive but im not to sure.

[Nate Dawg]

kjkriston- yes that is exactly how I feel, my mind is just in warp speed as soon as I wake up and tend to think of things that piss me off and I can not stop thinking about them. Im usually never like this or have this problem. I really dont see any significant correlation between what we are taking. I dont know what it could be. Are you stressed about anything? We could just be stressed and something is pushing it over the edge that we are taking...

3clipseGT- It very well could be the retain, I have never tried it before. I never take stims b/c I am always worried they will screw up my sleep. Might just have to wait it out a few days.

[kjkriston]

I am not stressed about anything actually. Now that I have been reading around some more...my sleep issues may be related to the SD. The melatonin is really helping me sleep deeper. I still wake up prematurely but the mind racing thing is gone. Maybe you should give it a try. 1 3mg tab 10 min before bed and I'm good.

[milwood]

might go with some Gaba and/or 5-HTP--bulk powder is cheap at CNW. Valerian root is a good relaxer as is kava kava. A brand-name item called Calms Forte is also effective. Hopefully some of these natural things might help.

[lask]

Originally Posted by kjkriston

Dude its so wierd that you posted this because you described my exact problem as well. I have no idea why its happening to me. But just like you said 3-4 hours then wide awake and can;t stop thinking. I'm currently taking 20 mg SD 125mg Prostan, 4 caps Novedex XT, Liver X, Cranberry pills, 3 mg of melatonin (started last night), A multi-vitamin, ...... the melatonin def. helped me sleep harder , but not longer....any similarities to you?

I prefer the time released melatonin over standard quite a bit. I was waking up after several hours with standard melatonin, but on the time release version it was much less of a problem.

[magic8ball]

Originally Posted by milwood

might go with some Gaba and/or 5-HTP--bulk powder is cheap at CNW. Valerian root is a good relaxer as is kava kava. A brand-name item called Calms Forte is also effective. Hopefully some of these natural things might help.

I agree, good post milwood.

[kjkriston]

I will most def try the time release....I finally got the ambien i was hoping for but i got the same effect...real deep initial sleep....but i still wake up bout 5 hours into it...better than the melotonin but not perfect either.....at 10 mg i thought id be good......im going for 15 mg tonite...ill post tommorrow