yeah the bottle is blue, but the torem itself is pink, and smells like bubble gum. Even the taste is a bit bubblicious.

Originally Posted by ABNRanger

yeah the bottle is blue, but the torem itself is pink, and smells like bubble gum. Even the taste is a bit bubblicious.

Don't worry man, it's good stuff...trust me.

whew that is good to know. Thanks for easing my mind.

A little help here guys...I was originally going to take as a PCT:

Nolva- 30/ 20/ 20/ 10
CS
Formex-50/50/25/25
milk thistle---1 - 2 grams of 80% Extract

but having read up on Torem, would it be ok to switch nolva out for torem?

cycling:

p-plex: 20/20/30/30
m-drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 10/ 20 / 30
CS
milk thistle---1 - 2 grams of 80% Extract

any ideas??

You dont use a serm during a cycle. who told you to do so? I have never heard of any one using Nolva during a cycle! Thats insane you are suppose to take it after the cycle. Thats why its Called PCT. And if you want to control Gyno and things like that you should take B6 during your cycle. P-5-P is a form of vitamin B6 that is less harsh on your liver. Considering that doses over 100mg of B6 could be harsh on your liver.

Originally Posted by Deadlift3

You dont use a serm during a cycle. who told you to do so? I have never heard of any one using Nolva during a cycle! Thats insane you are suppose to take it after the cycle. Thats why its Called PCT. And if you want to control Gyno and things like that you should take B6 during your cycle. P-5-P is a form of vitamin B6 that is less harsh on your liver. Considering that doses over 100mg of B6 could be harsh on your liver.

If signs of gyno begin during a cycle, lots of guys have used Nolva while on cycle to specifically combat it. This is why you always see folks advising guys to have Nolva on had right from the start of a cycle, not waiting until the cycle is over. I't's not because you plan to start PCT early, but because you may need it at any point during the cycle.

Another good reason to buy more SERM than what you think you need just for PCT. I like to keep some in the cabinet year round just in case, even long after cycles are over. Can be months later and a flareup hits you in the face, you want to be ready.

True, some guys do get hit w/ "rebound gyno", so it's definitely smart to have it around whenever.

How well does toremifene help with libido restoration? Are there some more experiences please?

Originally Posted by Imeniaan

How well does toremifene help with libido restoration? Are there some more experiences please?

For me, definitely does the trick in that area post-cycle.

Just don't dose TOO high.

Subbed.

Originally Posted by rubberring

For me, definitely does the trick in that area post-cycle.

Thank you so much for the feedback.

Originally Posted by GotTest

Just don't dose TOO high.

What's too high?

Ha! I can't believe this thread is still going! I posted on page one 4 years ago.
Good to see there's interest in Toremifene still.

would toremifene citrate be the same?

Been skimming thru this thread. Started in 2005. Is Toremifene still available from IBE? I noticed a lot of people thanking IBE for bringing it to market but I do not see it on their website. I am assuming this is the same IBE that makes Formex and Epistane.

Originally Posted by luclyluciano

Been skimming thru this thread. Started in 2005. Is Toremifene still available from IBE? I noticed a lot of people thanking IBE for bringing it to market but I do not see it on their website. I am assuming this is the same IBE that makes Formex and Epistane.

No not available from IBE.
Google.

Originally Posted by Imeniaan

What's too high?

Too high for me is >60mg/day.

Originally Posted by GotTest

Too high for me is >60mg/day.

ok, thank you.

Does anyone know if toremifene would be effective for pubertal gyno?

Originally Posted by Liquidxr

Does anyone know if toremifene would be effective for pubertal gyno?

I'd say nolva would be better for that since it's more tissue specific to the breast area, as I understand.

Quick question for the panel. I'm in PCT now and used up the last of my nolva...about a week at 40 mg. Afterward I switched off to torem. I did a few days at 120, then a couple at 60 and plan to finish off at 30 per day til the bottle is done. Do you guys think this is sufficient or is it necessary to go w/ one thing and run it all the way through?

Originally Posted by nightfly71

I'd say nolva would be better for that since it's more tissue specific to the breast area, as I understand.

Quick question for the panel. I'm in PCT now and used up the last of my nolva...about a week at 40 mg. Afterward I switched off to torem. I did a few days at 120, then a couple at 60 and plan to finish off at 30 per day til the bottle is done. Do you guys think this is sufficient or is it necessary to go w/ one thing and run it all the way through?

Well you did dose the Nolva and Torem on the high side so riding out 30/day should work out fine. It dose for me.

Originally Posted by GotTest

Well you did dose the Nolva and Torem on the high side so riding out 30/day should work out fine. It dose for me.

Good to know. I was pretty sure I'd be fine but you always want opinions. I'm going to just finish out the bottle of torem, which will extend my PCT for another week or two. That will probably only help.

As I understand it, toxicity isn't an issue here the way nolva can be, so I'm thinking the extended PCT can only help solidify HPTA recovery. I was just kind of worried that 50 mg. per day might have been too low.

going to try tor for my upcoming magnadrol/x-tren cycle. I let you all know how that pans out.