I've played with Prohormones and various Methylated Designer oral steroids for a couple of years. My cycles never exceeded 4 weeks. Most were 20days. It would be about 20days before I 'felt recovered'. So 20days on - only to feel like **** for another 20days - needless to say, it was a waste of time and probably a very confusing time for my balls.
I just came off a 20+ week cycle, where one of my best friends' committed suicide, a brown recluse spider put me in the hospital where I could hardly function or eat from the antibiotics and pain killers.
During the first 3 weeks of PCT, I made it to the gym maybe 2 times.
But I haven't lost much of anything but some chest strength and a fair amount of bodyfat. I've actually may have gained back and leg strength.
To date, this was by far my best PCT experience. No feeling of shutdown, no ED, no emotional pain beyond what I was going through in the first place.
Here is what I ultimately put together:
final 2 weeks of cycle: Prop 150mg ED
final 2 weeks of cycle: ATD 75mg (used mainly as an AI)
final 2 weeks of cycle: HCG 250ius E3.5D
Day 1 of PCT: Clomid 300mg, ATD 50mg
Week 1 of PCT: Clomid 150mg, ATD 50mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 2 of PCT: Clomid 150mg, ATD 50mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 2.5: Begin IGF-1, ~40-50mcg ED
Week 3: Clomid 100mg, ATD 50mg, Nolvadex 60mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 4: Clomid 100mg, ATD 50mg, Nolvadex 40mg, No HCG
Week 5: Nolvadex 40mg, ATD 50mg
Week 6: Nolvadex 20mg, ATD 50mg (<--- Currently Week 6)
Week 7: Nolvadex 20mg, ATD 75mg*
Week 8: ATD 75mg
* ATD should likely be tapered up and SERMS tapered down
Other Supps: Vitrix (i had it left over), Zinc, Flax, COQ10, Vitamin C, Garlic, Niacin, Creatine.
It's pricey obviously, but I will note that I felt 'recovered' before adding the IGF. Perhaps that's because I took HCG into PCT. IGF is by no means required for PCT - but it certainly helps with the recomp.
The research I've done, mainly from HRT/TRT discussions and studies from John Criser, indicates HCG @ 250ius E3.5D is not suppressive - thus making it okay to take into PCT. Don't get me wrong - 3000ius of HCG WILL be suppressive. But Crisler believes 250ius is the magic number for replacing the LH you would have produced otherwise - while not suppressing HPTA. So methinks, take HCG @ 250ius E3.5D - about halfway into PCT. I'll be running a 8week PCT - so I cut the HCG midway week 3.
I credit the strength gains to the ATD. I'll be getting bloodwork to confirm how I [think] I feel.
I just came off a 20+ week cycle, where one of my best friends' committed suicide, a brown recluse spider put me in the hospital where I could hardly function or eat from the antibiotics and pain killers.
During the first 3 weeks of PCT, I made it to the gym maybe 2 times.
But I haven't lost much of anything but some chest strength and a fair amount of bodyfat. I've actually may have gained back and leg strength.
To date, this was by far my best PCT experience. No feeling of shutdown, no ED, no emotional pain beyond what I was going through in the first place.
Here is what I ultimately put together:
final 2 weeks of cycle: Prop 150mg ED
final 2 weeks of cycle: ATD 75mg (used mainly as an AI)
final 2 weeks of cycle: HCG 250ius E3.5D
Day 1 of PCT: Clomid 300mg, ATD 50mg
Week 1 of PCT: Clomid 150mg, ATD 50mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 2 of PCT: Clomid 150mg, ATD 50mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 2.5: Begin IGF-1, ~40-50mcg ED
Week 3: Clomid 100mg, ATD 50mg, Nolvadex 60mg, HCG 250ius x E3.5D
Week 4: Clomid 100mg, ATD 50mg, Nolvadex 40mg, No HCG
Week 5: Nolvadex 40mg, ATD 50mg
Week 6: Nolvadex 20mg, ATD 50mg (<--- Currently Week 6)
Week 7: Nolvadex 20mg, ATD 75mg*
Week 8: ATD 75mg
* ATD should likely be tapered up and SERMS tapered down
Other Supps: Vitrix (i had it left over), Zinc, Flax, COQ10, Vitamin C, Garlic, Niacin, Creatine.
It's pricey obviously, but I will note that I felt 'recovered' before adding the IGF. Perhaps that's because I took HCG into PCT. IGF is by no means required for PCT - but it certainly helps with the recomp.
The research I've done, mainly from HRT/TRT discussions and studies from John Criser, indicates HCG @ 250ius E3.5D is not suppressive - thus making it okay to take into PCT. Don't get me wrong - 3000ius of HCG WILL be suppressive. But Crisler believes 250ius is the magic number for replacing the LH you would have produced otherwise - while not suppressing HPTA. So methinks, take HCG @ 250ius E3.5D - about halfway into PCT. I'll be running a 8week PCT - so I cut the HCG midway week 3.
I credit the strength gains to the ATD. I'll be getting bloodwork to confirm how I [think] I feel.