Best PCT I've ever had!!!
- 09-12-2005, 06:45 PM
Best PCT I've ever had!!!
I did a five week E-Max cycle, I went from 245 lbs to 249 lbs@ 5' 11", but got leaner and strong as hell. Now I'm on 16 days into PCT(I know thats not that long) and I'm up to 253 lbs and looking bigger then ever and not any fatter. I also put about 15 more lbs on my bench press(now up to 520 lbs RAW). My arms even grew another 1/4 inch. For the first time ever I'm NOT taking Nolva for PCT. I'm taking RXT, Activate and Fenugreek. I'm also taking CM, ALCAR, Taurine and Lot's of Flax oil. I ussually lose weight and get weaker by this time during PCT, so I hope this holds up. I have never felt this good during PCT. My libido is even awesome. With these results does anyone think I should have taken Nolva?
- 09-12-2005, 06:56 PM
- 09-12-2005, 07:08 PM
I ran RBXT, Fen and LX as a base of my PCT from SD... And it felt like I was still on the SD all the time
This time ACT is part of my PCT from E..Max-SD-Others and I can`t wait to get to PCT!
09-12-2005, 07:08 PM
sounds to me like you are doing JUST FINE w/o the nolva! I usually take it with RXT and Lean Xtreme just b/c I prefer safe than sorry...but if your doing that good why fix what isnt broke?
good luck brother...impressive results.
09-12-2005, 07:21 PM
Thanks about the bench. I'm taking 3 RXT at night before bed for 20 days(one bottle), then I will take 2 at night for about 10-15 days and then 1 at night for about 10 days. I'm taking the beta version of Activate, so I take 20 pills a day, five of them at night with the RXT. I take 4 Fenugreek at night also(I will be upping This as I go to 6 pills at night). So I take 12 pills before I go to bed. I only have about 9 days left of Activate, which I absolutely love. I need more asap DS!Originally Posted by stinkfist
09-12-2005, 07:26 PM
09-13-2005, 01:01 AM
09-13-2005, 02:48 AM
Definately a good addition to any pct I run in the future. (I am not going to mention the log I just finished in the DS section)
09-13-2005, 10:33 AM
I'll continue to pimp ACT. For me, it seems like I'm still on cycle and the gains are still coming... AMAZING product.
09-13-2005, 12:10 PM
09-13-2005, 12:16 PM
09-19-2005, 01:08 PM
Just to update everyone, I'm on 23 days PCT and maintaining my strength and size. No changes either way and still feel great. This defenitly will be my PCT protocol everytime.
09-21-2005, 09:04 AM
09-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Is it possible to get Activate right now? Is everyone that is using it on the beta program? Man I want some!!Originally Posted by -2z-
09-28-2005, 12:38 AM
Later this week DS will have more beta version again. The final version is 6-8 weeks out though.Originally Posted by jdahlum
09-28-2005, 08:34 AM
Thanks man! Do you know how I can get some of the beta? Is it available directly from the their site? Sorry for the questions. Thanks again.
09-28-2005, 10:43 PM
They said The beta will ONLY be on their site later this week as far as I know. The final version will be available from other retailers also. There is a thread titled "activate" in the DS forum that can give you the info.Originally Posted by jdahlum
11-18-2005, 10:56 PM
11-19-2005, 11:13 AM
11-26-2005, 07:30 PM
11-28-2005, 08:52 PM
Someone please explain something to a dummy like me..........
After 5 weeks of a cycle, one would assume any athelete is in a state of endogenous shut down. Designersupps "Activate" is supposed to reduce SHBG. I've read posts elsewhere by Nandi (God rest his soul) that one of the reasons Nolva and Clomid "work" is that, among other things, SHBG is increased. And while I don't wish to speak for anyone else, Big Cat also is posting a specific debate thread on CEM calling into question whether reducing SHBG is a good thing or not.
But let's say for the time being that reducing SHBG is a good thing. If one is in a state of suppression, producing little to zero endogenous testosterone, why should reducing SHBG have any impact on muscle4life's PCT?
Just from a common sense point of view, let's say that by taking this "Activate" supplement, he reduces his SHBG and somenow doubles his unbound endogenous testosterone production........... ok. 2 x 0 = 0.
So is it really that "Activate" is really a great PCT supplement to take, or is it more likely he's experiencing some leftover tail end effects from the cycle he's just completed?
BTW, I'm not knocking the supplement. I just don't understand why the supplement's label claims should be producing any tangible benefits used in this particular way. And in fact, since they produce a different product, "Rebound" for this specific use, I'm questioning why "Activate" should even be considered for PCT.
11-28-2005, 11:11 PM
First of all, BC is straight trippin' these days. His advice has become very false, biased and hypothetical. If you listen to him, you'd also have to believe that Superdrol is worthless and ramping doses on a cycle is stupid too. I think there are so many positive SD threads on AM and BB alone that you really can't even take him seriously anymore. His own infomation testifies against him! Also, try starting a cycle with 150mg Anadrol/day and 1g of test a week without a ramp. Yeah right! Call me in 2 weeks when your headache finally goes away and you can actually go to the gym again. I don't know why people still listen to him. Same thing with ACT. If it should not be considered it for PCT, then why is literally everyone saying things like "best PCT I've ever had"? His futile augments are based on false science. Results, however, speak for themselves and are impossible to deny, except to hardened fools that can't admit when they are wrong. SHBG is not even "reduced" as you and he are claiming, just bound. Please get your facts straight and don't be another mindless sheep in the BC flock.Originally Posted by sandinsciuz
11-28-2005, 11:13 PM
I'm not the one to ask, but perhaps if unbound endogenous test is very low after a cycle (not zero, however), then doubling it (via Activate, or whatever) would clearly be of benefit (using your example). Hopefully the more knowledgable will be here soon...
Originally Posted by sandinsciuz
11-29-2005, 12:46 AM
Since my PCT, The only supplements I'm currently taking are Activate, Alcar, Taurine, Citrulline and Flax. My body weight continued to 256 lbs, but for the last couple of weeks I've been staying at 254 lbs., which is still up from my cycle and PCT. I'm staying at about the same BF%(about 12%) My bench however is down considerably to 480 lbs raw. Part of that could be that I haven't been hitting it as hard as I should be lately. Overall I'm very happy with my cycle and PCT, and I would still say it was the best PCT I've ever done hands down.Originally Posted by Grunt76
11-29-2005, 02:53 AM
2 x 0 = 0?
You can't apply the rules of multiplication to biochemistry. It isn't the same application. The action of SHBG (aka Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) in the human body is to bind to human sex hormones (testosterone) and render them useless in order to acheive the body's ultimate goal of maintaining homeostasis. The entire reason one uses PH/AAS is to offset homeostasis and to force the body into a state of unnatural growth. In an effort to thwart these attempts the body and that crafty mother nature enact a bevy of responses to upset your plans of world domination. If you can decrease the amount of SHBG in the blood stream that is binding to and nullifying T, then the small amount of T that you have will be more beneficial to you. Beyond that, I would assume (granted I can not be sure) that as your levels of circulating androgens increased via exogenous means, your levels of SHBG would also increase, which could create a severely uncooperative state when the exogenous goodies have subsided. I hope that you understand the multiple goals associated with PCT, and how this process can be aided by the product in question. Indeed RXT is a good product, but so is nolva, which is also not a sufficient PCT if used by itself. Mechanism, Function, Efficiency, Productivity; these are the reasons I run a thourough PCT. Why do you?
You do don't you......................?
11-29-2005, 02:47 PM
your testosterone is not at zero at the beginning of pct. it will take the small amount of test and free some of it up while the anti e is helping your test rise. the only problem I see with it is at wk 4 of pct you free test #'s might be higher than normal and will tell you body to stop increasing test because their is already enough. but if your still on the anti e you will continue to raise test #'s. try reading the write up and see if that explains it better than I can.
11-29-2005, 07:01 PM
From the DesignerSupps "Activate" link posted above, here's what the manufacturer says:Originally Posted by DR.D
ActivaTe™ knocks out SHBG allowing your own testosterone to be free—and build serious muscle.
So you're absolutely correct Dr.D because I mis-spoke and I apologize. I'll try to remember from here forward to use the more technical vernacular they employ, "knocks out" rather than my own poorly paraphrased "reduced".
And shame on me for citing such a misguided authority as Big Cat.
Evidently you didn't read my post very well because I didn't CLAIM anything, and neither did BC on the CEM thread. And at the end of my post I indicated I wasn't knocking the product. I was asking about how SHBG impacted PCT, and I was questioning whether PCT was an appropriate use of "Activate", since they produce another product "Rebound" for that very purpose.
But it sounds like you have it all figured out and know more about it than the DesignerSupps people. Congratulations.
11-29-2005, 07:19 PM
11-29-2005, 08:02 PM
I'll be starting my first PCT in about four weeks. I'm halfway through a cycle of e-max lmg. One of the power lifters at my gym convinced me to give it a try and I have to say, so far so good. I have already ordered some Rebound XT, Novedex Extreme, and Retain. I've been told to use Clomid, but all the places I looked at want a prescription. I want to keep the gains I've made (and the ones I hope to make during the last four weeks of this cycle). I've read about 10 different threads concerning PCT, and I'm more confused than ever. I ordered a couple bottles of SD, and I'm planning on doing a cycle after my PCT. Will these supps do the job for my PCT?
11-29-2005, 08:25 PM
Sorry if I gave a bad impression my friend. I'm just so tired of BC's current crap, that's all. Your points are legit and I by no means "have it all figured out."Originally Posted by sandinsciuz
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