pct m-drol, looking for some info/insight/help

[PeaceMAC]

Alright guys, so I'm running a 4 week cycle of 20-mg/day German Pharmaceuticals m-drol from pro-hormones.c*.uk

This is my first one so I want to keep it light at 20 a day.. anyways

All it recommended (and my fitness instructor) was to take Clomadex for 30 days following my cycle, 2 pills a day. But the more I"m reading on here, the more it looks like I should be taking more. I live in the EU and doesn't seem like I can get ahold of your two go-to products (nolvid and clomid?). I was wondering if there's anything else from that website I should be taking during my PCT. One of the products I figured I should add is pure DAA (also on that website).

Also it doesn't say to take milk thistle during PCT but I'm assuming that's a good idea?

Thanks for the help. I read a good bit before starting this cycle(guess I missed the part about the SERMs..hoping I can sub it or find some soon) and I'm having a really GREAT experience so far. No sides, 10 lbs gained in 7 days, and I'm lifting harder than I ever have.

 

[warbird01]

You NEED a serm for D zine. I suggest not running something that strong if you cannot get your hands on clomid or nolva.

 

[LeanEngineer]

^^^ Agreed. I always have my serm in hand before I start a cycle so I know I will have a proper pct. If you can't get a serm I definitely wouldn't run it.

 

[PeaceMAC]

Alright I found a source for some clomid. Should be able to get it in about a week (luckily!!). Should I run the Clomadex and some liver support with it?

Also, any tips on the dosage(I'm running a very light cycle of m drol) of the clomid?

 

[AntM1564]

Alright I found a source for some clomid. Should be able to get it in about a week (luckily!!). Should I run the Clomadex and some liver support with it?

Also, any tips on the dosage(I'm running a very light cycle of m drol) of the clomid?

I cannot give dosages on Clomid, but I will sometimes run cycle support supps, or at least certain ingredients, during the first week or two of PCT.

Also, I would drop the DAA. DAA can be useful for people with low-T for whatever reason, but newer research seems to show that it's not going to do much of anything for lifters with normal testosterone levels:

Twenty-four males, with a minimum of two years' experience in resistance training, (age, 24.5 ± 3.2 y; training experience, 3.4 ± 1.4 y; height, 178.5 ± 6.5 cm; weight, 84.7 ± 7.2 kg; bench press 1-RM, 105.3 ± 15.2 kg) were randomised into one of three groups: 6 g.d(-1) plain flour (D0); 3 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D3); and 6 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D6). Participants performed a two-week washout period, training four days per week. This continued through the experimental period (14 days), with participants consuming the supplement in the morning. Serum was analysed for levels of testosterone, estradiol, sex hormone binding globulin, albumin and free testosterone was determined by calculation.

D-aspartic acid supplementation revealed no main effect for group in: estradiol; sex-hormone-binding-globulin; and albumin. Total testosterone was significantly reduced in D6 (P = 0.03). Analysis of free testosterone showed that D6 was significantly reduced as compared to D0 (P = 0.005), but not significantly different to D3. Analysis did not reveal any significant differences between D3 and D0. No significant correlation between initial total testosterone levels and responsiveness to d-aspartic acid was observed (r = 0.10, P = 0.70).

The present study demonstrated that a daily dose of six grams of d-aspartic acid decreased levels of total testosterone and free testosterone (D6), without any concurrent change in other hormones measured. Three grams of d-aspartic acid had no significant effect on either testosterone markers. It is currently unknown what effect this reduction in testosterone will have on strength and hypertrophy gains.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25844073

Resistance-trained men resistance trained 4 times/wk for 28 days while orally ingesting either 3 g of placebo or 3 g of D-ASP. Data were analyzed with 2 × 2 analysis of variance (P < .05).

The gonadal hormones were unaffected by 28 days of D-ASP supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass. Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24074738

You can run OTC products in conjunction with your clomid. I would definitely look into something that will control cortisol. Reduce XT does that. There are other, more complete, options out there such as AlphaMax XT and Sup3r PCT.

The reason why I like AlphaMax XT is because it control cortisol with an AI and adoptogen, ashwagandha which can also reduce stress and anxiety levels. Additionally, you're looking at tongkat ali, which increases libido and a full dose of forskolin which helps increase lean mass and may help with fat loss.

Nutri-verse has AlphaMax XT B2G1 free, plus 5% off with code AM5

https://www.nutri-verse.com/buy-2-alphamax-xt-get-1-free/

 

[PeaceMAC]

Thank you so much man. I'll research more on dosage of the clomid, it's on the way. I just ordered some of that alpha max (used your code, thanks again!).

If you have any other tips I am all ears.

 

[AntM1564]

Thank you so much man. I'll research more on dosage of the clomid, it's on the way. I just ordered some of that alpha max (used your code, thanks again!).

If you have any other tips I am all ears.

You can search here for the dose, it won't be hard to find! Also, that AM5 code works on Nutri-verse all the time. It is not a specific code to me, but it is the code for this forum!

 

[LAH813]

Thank you so much man. I'll research more on dosage of the clomid, it's on the way. I just ordered some of that alpha max (used your code, thanks again!).

If you have any other tips I am all ears.

50/50/25/25 for clomid

 

[PeaceMAC]

50/50/25/25 for clomid

Question about that though, is that dosage consistent with my light cycle? (20/20/20/20)

 

[warbird01]

Question about that though, is that dosage consistent with my light cycle? (20/20/20/20)

Yes, 50/50/25/25 is standard.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

im not a fan of DAA how ever you would not be considered a normal test subject after your cycle. your test will be very low once you come off the steroid you are using, thus DAA (might) be useful during PCT. plus its cheap.
clomid 50/50/25/25/weeks 5 and 6= 25 eod

 

[PeaceMAC]

im not a fan of DAA how ever you would not be considered a normal test subject after your cycle. your test will be very low once you come off the steroid you are using, thus DAA (might) be useful during PCT. plus its cheap.
clomid 50/50/25/25/weeks 5 and 6= 25 eod

Is Clomadex is a fair replacement as the test booster?

So clomid/Clomadex

I ordered the alpha KT but I don't think it will be here in time for this PCT

Also I apologise but what do you mean by EOD? end of day I'm assuming?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

every other day

 

[PeaceMAC]

every other day

Thanks man!

 

[Ibby_GP]

Sorry to jump in this so late, how did your cycle go.
For future cycles if you can not get hold of a SERM then Clomadex & DAA will suffice.
We offer an all in one product called The Ultimate PCT, it has already been mentioned but DAA is a great supplement to include in your PCT or directly after your PCT as your natural test levels are lowered.

I hope this helps