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    My PCT after 13 weeks of:

    500mg of Test E and 300mg of Deca and then the 14th week just 500mg. Test E.
    While on I was taking 12.5mg of Aromasine everyday and .5mg of Caber every 4th day, 2 Unleashed in the morning and 2 at night.
    250UI of HCG for 14 weeks.

    PCT beginning 1 week after my last Test E pin:

    12.5mg Aromasine everyday for 4 weeks
    50mg of Clomid for 2 weeks and then 25mg for the next 2 weeks
    3 Prolactrone, 2 in the morning and 1 and night
    2 Unleashed in the morning and 2 at night.
    DAA.

    My question is, when should I start with the DAA? I'm on week 1 of my PCT right now and have not started DAA.


  2. Safe to start DAA now. 3g daily dosed when you want. If you have GI issues, split dose to twice a day, 1.5g per serving. Good luck Joe, let's hope for no ED this time around.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Safe to start DAA now. 3g daily dosed when you want. If you have GI issues, split dose to twice a day, 1.5g per serving. Good luck Joe, let's hope for no ED this time around.
    On this cycle I have had next to zero ED issues. In the last 2 weeks maybe once a week I may have one but that may be more to do with my age (im 44) than anything. The past week my libido has been good one day and down the next. I had bloods taken on the 20th. My last pin was on the 17th. I will test again after PCT. Thank you for the advice
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  4. Start it now. Everything looks good. How were your gainz?
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  5. My gains were stable. I was very happy with maintaining my libido.
    I just got my results back Friday and my total test was 1600, my prolactin was 2.8 and but my estrogen was 250!! How? I took the aromasine at 12.5mg per day I dony understand why? And now what should i do about my aromasine dosage while im on PCT. im still taking 12.5mg.

  6. Maybe fake aromasin? Who was your source?
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  7. I thought about that. My source was the same person I got my Test and Deca from.

  8. PMing you
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  9. Did u get my last email?

  10. DAA products like Intimidate SRT (NMDA) are nice use them throughout PCT.

  11. FWIW - recent studies suggest DAA has greater efficacy with older users. Please don't read anything into that, I WISH I was still 44.

  12. Doesn't daa take about twelve days to actually increase test levels? So I'm wondering myself if it should be started twelve days before pct starts or just start it on the first day of pct?

  13. Just got bloods done again. Tomorrow is the last day of PCT. should be getting my results in 3 or 4 days.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Just got bloods done again. Tomorrow is the last day of PCT. should be getting my results in 3 or 4 days.
    You should have lab work done 2-3 weeks AFTER PCT

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  15. Why?

    Also, I needed to anyway because my estrogen was 250 3 days after my last pin because i had bunk Aromasine, so i started taking real Adex. I needed to know if I was getting back to normal.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Why?

    Also, I needed to anyway because my estrogen was 250 3 days after my last pin because i had bunk Aromasine, so i started taking real Adex. I needed to know if I was getting back to normal.
    I don't think it hurts to get bloods done when you did but I recommend getting them again in 2-3 weeks. Reason is to see how your levels are holding once everything is out of your system.

  17. I was under the impression that after 4 weeks it is out of your system.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    On this cycle I have had next to zero ED issues. In the last 2 weeks maybe once a week I may have one but that may be more to do with my age (im 44) than anything. The past week my libido has been good one day and down the next. I had bloods taken on the 20th. My last pin was on the 17th. I will test again after PCT. Thank you for the advice
    Probably due to test e. Good to hear no ed issues.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    My PCT after 13 weeks of:

    500mg of Test E and 300mg of Deca and then the 14th week just 500mg. Test E.
    While on I was taking 12.5mg of Aromasine everyday and .5mg of Caber every 4th day, 2 Unleashed in the morning and 2 at night.
    250UI of HCG for 14 weeks.

    PCT beginning 1 week after my last Test E pin:

    12.5mg Aromasine everyday for 4 weeks
    50mg of Clomid for 2 weeks and then 25mg for the next 2 weeks
    3 Prolactrone, 2 in the morning and 1 and night
    2 Unleashed in the morning and 2 at night.
    DAA.

    My question is, when should I start with the DAA? I'm on week 1 of my PCT right now and have not started DAA.
    You can start it now. Also add some ghrp and ghrp for added igf1 cause it drops on cycle.

    If you want non peptide route then ursolic acid is the way to go.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    I was under the impression that after 4 weeks it is out of your system.
    The cycle should be but the serm needs to be out of your system as well for your final blood work.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    You can start it now. Also add some ghrp and ghrp for added igf1 cause it drops on cycle.

    If you want non peptide route then ursolic acid is the way to go.
    I think I have some; but I never used it and dont know what dosage. It's in powder form and needs to constituted with bac water. Is there an expiration date for it?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    I think I have some; but I never used it and dont know what dosage. It's in powder form and needs to constituted with bac water. Is there an expiration date for it?
    They can last for 8 months to 1 year I believe. Dont even need cold storage.

    I've heard up to 3 years but idk about that.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    The cycle should be but the serm needs to be out of your system as well for your final blood work.
    Ok, so the serm will have an effect on my estrogen as well as test?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    They can last for 8 months to 1 year I believe. Dont even need cold storage.

    I've heard up to 3 years but idk about that.
    I've had it for over 2 years so maybe I should get some more. Now if I use it it wont shut down anything else will it?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    I've had it for over 2 years so maybe I should get some more. Now if I use it it wont shut down anything else will it?
    Ghrp and cjc releases gh and igf1 naturally. They dont replace they increase. Especally important for someone over 30.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Ghrp and cjc releases gh and igf1 naturally. They dont replace they increase. Especally important for someone over 30.
    Thank you.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Ok, so the serm will have an effect on my estrogen as well as test?
    Is that a serious question? Assuming it is a serious question: yes a serm increases your estrogen levels via conversion from increased testosterone. In your case it looks like you are using an AI which should have been preventing your estrogen levels from recovering. I've never used an AI at the beginning of pct so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Is that a serious question? Assuming it is a serious question: yes a serm increases your estrogen levels via conversion from increased testosterone.
    Yes, I know test converts to estrogen and my test is raised by the serm but what i meant was I am also still on anti-estrogen. Shouldn't it control it?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Yes, I know test converts to estrogen and my test is raised by the serm but what i meant was I am also still on anti-estrogen. Shouldn't it control it?
    I updated my previous post

  30. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Is that a serious question? Assuming it is a serious question: yes a serm increases your estrogen levels via conversion from increased testosterone. In your case it looks like you are using an AI which should have been preventing your estrogen levels from recovering. I've never used an AI at the beginning of pct so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
    Ok, I get it. But the reality is, I was on 12.5mg of what I thought was real Aromasine and it turned out to be bunk because 3 days after my last pin I got bloods and my Estrogen came back at 250!! By the time I got my results back I had been on PCT for 2 weeks. I stopped the fake Aromasine and started .25mg of real Adex. So I needed to know if my levels were coming down. My libio is back but I wouldn't call it roaring.

  31. The AI should lower the amount of estrogen by stopping testosterone conversion to estrogen. Sucks that your on cycle ai was bunk and you now have to lower e2 levels. If the ai was working on cycle estrogen should have been low. During pct you need estrogen to recover but you want to block the estrogen receptors in breast cells which would be better handled with Nolva or torem. IMO. Someone correct me if I'm missing something or mis stated

  32. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Ok, I get it. But the reality is, I was on 12.5mg of what I thought was real Aromasine and it turned out to be bunk because 3 days after my last pin I got bloods and my Estrogen came back at 250!! By the time I got my results back I had been on PCT for 2 weeks. I stopped the fake Aromasine and started .25mg of real Adex. So I needed to know if my levels were coming down. My libio is back but I wouldn't call it roaring.
    Without a doubt get your blood work done again a few weeks after pct. If you are really worried about it get work done at very end of pct and then again 3 weeks after pct complete.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Without a doubt get your blood work done again a few weeks after pct. If you are really worried about it get work done at very end of pct and then again 3 weeks after pct complete.
    Ok, thank you.
    Have you ever heard of a Clomid ONLY cycle?

  34. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Ok, thank you.
    Have you ever heard of a Clomid ONLY cycle?
    Do you mean Clomid only pct? Yes I have but Clomid doesn't block estrogen receptors in breast tissue. For pct I never use Clomid or Nolva solo. I use torem or Clomid+Nolva. If you are not gyno prone Clomid only pct should be fine. Clomid is better than Nolva for restarting hpta.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Do you mean Clomid only pct? Yes I have but Clomid doesn't block estrogen receptors in breast tissue. For pct I never use Clomid or Nolva solo. I use torem or Clomid+Nolva. If you are not gyno prone Clomid only pct should be fine. Clomid is better than Nolva for restarting hpta.
    No, I dont mean for PCT, I actually mean for cycle. I read that Clomid tricks your body into believing that your estrogen is low and thus induces your body to produce more test.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    No, I dont mean for PCT, I actually mean for cycle. I read that Clomid tricks your body into believing that your estrogen is low and thus induces your body to produce more test.
    I don't see it raising test levels high enough to be worth it. basically I don't see it being real effect in a person with normal test levels. I have not tried it so I don't know but a Cincinnati reds pitcher got suspended a few years ago when he tested positive for Clomid. If I'm not mistaken that was all he tested positive for.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    I don't see it raising test levels high enough to be worth it. basically I don't see it being real effect in a person with normal test levels. I have not tried it so I don't know but a Cincinnati reds pitcher got suspended a few years ago when he tested positive for Clomid. If I'm not mistaken that was all he tested positive for.
    Well there you go. Also, it depends on what you mean by "nromal". I'm 44 and 500 is considered "normal" for my age. When I was 26 it was 800. So if Clomid can keep me at 800-1000 off cycle, I would be happy with that.

  38. I'm actually wondering if Clomid if at any level would stimulate FSH during cycle to prevent total natty test shut down. No way to test this as you can't measure testosterone inside the testis.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Well there you go. Also, it depends on what you mean by "nromal". I'm 44 and 500 is considered "normal" for my age. When I was 26 it was 800. So if Clomid can keep me at 800-1000 off cycle, I would be happy with that.
    The concern with extended use would be enlargement of the pituitary which is near the optic nerve in the brain. Could cause visual changes. And while it would probably be minimal it could also raise estrogen to a level you don't want.

    Take a look at the studies at PubMed.com. older guys with low test take it for periods of time in excess of 6 months at 25mg a day or every other day with good results. Note that the test subjects had test levels around 300 when they started and Clomid kept them in the range of 600.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    The concern with extended use would be enlargement of the pituitary which is near the optic nerve in the brain. Could cause visual changes. And while it would probably be minimal it could also raise estrogen to a level you don't want.

    Take a look at the studies at PubMed.com. older guys with low test take it for periods of time in excess of 6 months at 25mg a day or every other day with good results. Note that the test subjects had test levels around 300 when they started and Clomid kept them in the range of 600.
    Thank you man! That was some good reading. As for the estrogen levels, can't they just be controlled by some AI?
  

  
 

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