Still Shutdown post PCT - what to do?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    Also, maybe going immediately into ketosis during PCT might not be a good idea? That's what I did. In fact, I'm still in keto right now.
    i did the same thing. felt to bloated after the cycle. i dont know if that has anything to do with it though. get ur levels check if ur really conserned. but sometimes it just takes longer

  2. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight
    its a support. if anything, adding another exo hormone will be even more suppressive. the test or dht bases are primarily ment to deal with lethargy
    This ^^. Exo hormones will shut you down. Test base does help with lethargy but also sex drive.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight

    hcgen is just a glorified overpriced test booster. look at the ingredients and ask yourself, what are you really paying $60+ for? fadogia, fenugreek, and trib? thats not hcg
    Yes, HCGen is overpriced. And I'm not much of a supp guy. I dont respond to 90+% of them. In fact, I think most are crap and I hate they way they get whored out on so many boards. So I'm not that guy. Also, there are very likely superior test boosters to HCGen. I think DAA and many other boosters are fine in PCT.

    I use HCGen for my nuts. That's its only fit in this program. I use it half way through cycle when my nuts start to shrink. Nuts plump up again, loads increase, etc. Is clomid better, yes. But clomid doesn't work during cycle. So it's good to extend the use of HCGen to and through PCT.

    Not only is it expensive, but its out of stock every other month. So if you want it for a cycle or pct, better buy in advance.

  4. ive had some problems with DAA aswell. it seemed more difficult to get it going, but my functioning has returned to normal. does DAA raise prolactin?

  5. I've ordered PES Erase and I'm trying to understand exactly what it is. It's an AI? That is news to me. Maybe someone here could explain in layman's terms what androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione is? Thanks!

    I heard a guy say on one forum that this products decreases libido which is not what I wanted to hear. Maybe he didn't know what he was talking about.

  6. androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione = armistane. its a suicide inhibitor meaning it irreversibly binds to the aromataze receptor to prevent androgens from being converted to estrogens. armistane and formestane are the two most popular otc aromatase inhibitors

    when you tank your estrogen levels, your libido crashes with it. 6bromo was real good at doing this. erase, not so much unless you overdose it. and youll know if your dose is too high. research ai's are real good at crashing libido

  7. So it's like aromasin. Got it. Thanks.

  8. Impulsive? Really?

    I guess you are. You said money was a concern. Someone mentions Erase and 45 minutes later you buy it. Then you ask what it is.

    There's a lot to learn. So take your time digesting all if this info. Could be part of the problem.

  9. Ha. Very funny bro. Actually, I have heard quite a bit of good in regard to PES Erase over the last many months.

    I didn't hesitate to place the order and learn afterwards - it takes a good week or two for shipping, and I'd rather not prolong this PCT.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by caz1238 View Post
    ive had some problems with DAA aswell. it seemed more difficult to get it going, but my functioning has returned to normal. does DAA raise prolactin?
    for mr . i think it did. my biggest prob was getting a good nite sleep. daa had me up everyten minutes. i had to dose first thing in the am. any later i wouldnt be able to sleep that night

  11. I wanted to report that after one week of taking 3 PES Erase capsules per day, I am back to normal. My Clomid never arrived so it appears I'm going to have to find another source. But it seems I didn't need it this time cause Erase did the trick. I'm going to continue Erase for 30 days.

    I'm still a bit confused. I understand this product is an OTC AI. So hypothetically, I could have used Aromasin instead and gotten the same positive result, if not better? If that is the case why are many people advising Clomid+Erase instead of Clomid+Aromasin for PCT?

  12. In this case, an OTC AI was perfect for you. Erase is also slightly anabolic which gives a nice boost.

    Aro, Adex, Letro are stronger, but that can be dangerous or at least counterproductive when dosed too high. Generally the stronger AI's are good to use on cycle when controlling estrogen is more difficult because you keep fueling the furnace.

    OTC AI's are better (IMO) during pct.


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