FINAFLEX PCT AFTER 12 WK RUN

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PCT Day 1: Cardio/Core
Weight 199.5
- 7 min backward treadmill walk
- 10min HIIT (0:30 sprint 0:30 walk) on elliptical
- AB CIRCUIT
1- weighted crunch- 20@30, 14@30, 10@30
2- cable chop- 10@40, 10@40, 10@40
3- hanging knee raise- 10, 10, 10
- 8 min HIIT (1:00 fast 1:00 slow) on stairmaster
- CORE CIRCUIT
1- Plank- 1:00x3
2- L Plank- 0:30x3
3- R Plank- 0:30x3

This is day one of PCT. Took my liquid tamox this morning at 40mg. Holy hell that shyt tastes terrible. The first dropper I was like, oh not so bad kinda like black liquorice, then the second dropper I was like, fuk me this tastes like gasoline! Left a bad taste in my mouth for a few hours. Then I took my 10mg osta and 3g Pure Test. Took half a pro xanthine around 2pm cuz I had the Sunday sluggishness. That gave me a good buzz and carried me thru my cardio/core day which I finished at 5:30pm.

So far so good!
 
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Here's the plan--->

WK 1-5: 3x wk 50mcg IGFLR3
WK 1-4/5: nolva 40/40/20/20/10?
WK 1-4: 10mg osta ed
WK 1-5+: 3g DAA ed
WK 3-8: PCT REV 3/3/2/1/1eod/1e3d
 
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That should keep you pretty good but if your libido is not rising noticeably by week 2 then drop to 5mg on the osta. That will still be enough to keep your muscle but low enough not to hinder recovery.
 
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That should keep you pretty good but if your libido is not rising noticeably by week 2 then drop to 5mg on the osta. That will still be enough to keep your muscle but low enough not to hinder recovery.
12.5mg seemed to be the threshold where recovery limiting shutdown started occurring if I remember correctly. Thanks for the advice. I'm skipping the clomid kicker as well, thought it was overkill coming off a mild compound like 550
 
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Osta should be low enough but like Chris says watch it.
 
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I just got my ostanish in. Started today, as a bridge in between cycles.

Good luck with your pct bro. Looks good, interesting to see what the ostarine does for you in pct.
 
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I just got my ostanish in. Started today, as a bridge in between cycles.

Good luck with your pct bro. Looks good, interesting to see what the ostarine does for you in pct.
Watch that too you may need a mild PCT for this.
 

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only one thing to add to this point:
nolva not best for pct, clomid preferred hands down - IF you feel the need to go above otc pct like PCT Black in the first place
(your sourcing however will prolly have this tasting the same as your nolva lol)
maybe run clomid after your osta, my .02
 
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only one thing to add to this point:
nolva not best for pct, clomid preferred hands down - IF you feel the need to go above otc pct like PCT Black in the first place
(your sourcing however will prolly have this tasting the same as your nolva lol)
maybe run clomid after your osta, my .02
Yah clomid should have you boucing back quickly but a serm should not be needed but you just never know. I am well supplied in the clomid department but will keep at 50 ed if I can. Don't want to go all Emo on you fuggers :)
 
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only one thing to add to this point:
nolva not best for pct, clomid preferred hands down - IF you feel the need to go above otc pct like PCT Black in the first place
(your sourcing however will prolly have this tasting the same as your nolva lol)
maybe run clomid after your osta, my .02
Why exactly with the clomid rather than nolva? I read clomid is better at kick starting hpta recovery than nolva but only for the first week or so. I also read that vision sides are permanent with clomid and id rather steer clear of that. 19nors are supposed to respond better to clomid as well due to progesterone? issues but nolva is great at reducing gyno. 550 according to finaflex has been formulated to work its way around the common issues regarding pct of 19nors through its two step conversion and its higher purity and thus higher affinity for oral catalyzation. So nolva shouldn't be a problem here?
 
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Why exactly with the clomid rather than nolva? I read clomid is better at kick starting hpta recovery than nolva but only for the first week or so. I also read that vision sides are permanent with clomid and id rather steer clear of that. 19nors are supposed to respond better to clomid as well due to progesterone? issues but nolva is great at reducing gyno. 550 according to finaflex has been formulated to work its way around the common issues regarding pct of 19nors through its two step conversion and its higher purity and thus higher affinity for oral catalyzation. So nolva shouldn't be a problem here?
Yah not many of us older guys ever have gyno issues and HPTA is the important thing iif you want to keep gains and recover faster. I like Tor too.
 
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Yah not many of us older guys ever have gyno issues and HPTA is the important thing iif you want to keep gains and recover faster. I like Tor too.
So should I be concerned and pick up some clomid or will the setup I have be ok? Y'all got me questioning myself now, which is never good
 
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I like my coffee black and my serms straightforward god dammit

I'm going with torem next time
 
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So should I be concerned and pick up some clomid or will the setup I have be ok? Y'all got me questioning myself now, which is never good
Nolva is probably ok but next time you might want to try clomid. If gyno is an issue maybe stick with nolva. I have not heard of gyno problems with these particular products though.
 
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Nolva is probably ok but next time you might want to try clomid. If gyno is an issue maybe stick with nolva. I have not heard of gyno problems with these particular products though.
Thank you good sir for your timely response
 
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Nolva is probably ok but next time you might want to try clomid. If gyno is an issue maybe stick with nolva. I have not heard of gyno problems with these particular products though.
Thank you good sir for your timely response. I gotta say, FinaFlex reps are the best reps I've seen on AM. Rather than just shamelessly marketing a product for the sake of marketing a product y'all answer questions objectively and more often than not definitively
 
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I read clomid is better at kick starting hpta recovery than nolva but only for the first week or so.
is what clomid does - and what you want pct for to begin with

I also read that vision sides are permanent with clomid and id rather steer clear of that.
no
proper dosing, should not have an issue
plus, you can use clomid for shorter time period, say 3 weeks

but nolva is great at reducing gyno.
and that's about it :)
also - can use other things too for gyno..i love exemestane for example

Torem for the win.
i see a lot of guys using this, true
no personal experience from me to speak on
 
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Good to see you Devil! How's your cycle going? Post a link
I would, but according to AM, I don't post enough. No big deal. Fifty posts down the road and I'll be a golden child.
And it's good man! No Test Flu yet.. I'm a little over a week into 75Mg of Prop ED, and 20MG of SuperDrol. Bringing in some Mast P at week 4 and ish. Going to be wild.

And man, from all of my reading, Torem is going to be my staple from here on out. Brings the boys back the fastest, smooth HTPA recovery, and the few reported cases of HCG(end of cycle) +Torem(PCT) that left guys with higher Test than they started with? Sounds way too good to be true. Either way, I have plenty on hand for after this one.

Subbed to see how the Osta treats you. I loved it. Still have some left... May run it super low in PCT.
 
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is what clomid does - and what you want pct for to begin with

no
proper dosing, should not have an issue
plus, you can use clomid for shorter time period, say 3 weeks

and that's about it :)
also - can use other things too for gyno..i love exemestane for example

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I would, but according to AM, I don't post enough. No big deal. Fifty posts down the road and I'll be a golden child.
And it's good man! No Test Flu yet.. I'm a little over a week into 75Mg of Prop ED, and 20MG of SuperDrol. Bringing in some Mast P at week 4 and ish. Going to be wild.

And man, from all of my reading, Torem is going to be my staple from here on out. Brings the boys back the fastest, smooth HTPA recovery, and the few reported cases of HCG(end of cycle) +Torem(PCT) that left guys with higher Test than they started with? Sounds way too good to be true. Either way, I have plenty on hand for after this one.

Subbed to see how the Osta treats you. I loved it. Still have some left... May run it super low in PCT.
Hell yeah. That's a killer first cycle bro. Get the app for your smartphone and post away fugger, you'll get 50 in no time.

If users are taking hcg and torem and coming out higher than before that is amazing but I'm skeptical but I'm def going with it next time
 
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Yah that's a good word for it killer. lol going to need that Tor and HCG is a good idea for that cycle too. I am on 500 iu a week myself and I am just running mild shyte. I want to run it for a longer time though .. hence the clomid HCG. If my source had Tor I may have gone that way. It's a real nut pump Tor.
 
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Yah that's a good word for it killer. lol going to need that Tor and HCG is a good idea for that cycle too. I am on 500 iu a week myself and I am just running mild shyte. I want to run it for a longer time though .. hence the clomid HCG. If my source had Tor I may have gone that way. It's a real nut pump Tor.
Word. Yeah, I'm bringing HCG in around week 3.
 
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Well sounds like Snags took care of the Nolva vs Clomid question and yes definitely would pick torem over Nolva. Giving it a shot later to see if it holds up to the hype like all the reading I have done says.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/221894-shocks-gotime-log.html
- there you go a link to said log. I would start the HCG in week 2 especially with superdrol in the mix...
 
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Fuk it. You guys have convinced me. I'm just gonna order now and run clomid in tandem with nolva. Should be here by Friday. Think 50 for wks 2-4 sounds good?
 
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Well sounds like Snags took care of the Nolva vs Clomid question and yes definitely would pick torem over Nolva. Giving it a shot later to see if it holds up to the hype like all the reading I have done says.
- there you go a link to said log. I would start the HCG in week 2 especially with superdrol in the mix...
^^ Money. And I am heavily considering.

And yeah Palm. That sounds decent. I WOULD taper it some after the first week though.. 75 first day. 50/50/25
 

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Fuk it. You guys have convinced me. I'm just gonna order now and run clomid in tandem with nolva. Should be here by Friday. Think 50 for wks 2-4 sounds good?
hmm not exactly opportune set-up
i like 100 first day (from the very first day of pct tho), 50 for 2 weeks, 25 for last week
3 weeks total
but dropping in mid-stream like that..and running alongside nolva?
maybe 50 for 2 weeks would be good, i dunno
i still like taper of clomid, personally
 
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hmm not exactly opportune set-up
i like 100 first day (from the very first day of pct tho), 50 for 2 weeks, 25 for last week
3 weeks total
but dropping in mid-stream like that..and running alongside nolva?
maybe 50 for 2 weeks would be good, i dunno
i still like taper of clomid, personally
Originally I was just gonna run 150 for the first 5-7 days but ill be past that point when I get it. And yeah it just seems dumb to start in wk two. You know what, I was confident with my set up at the start and was concrete with my decisions so I'm just going to stick which what I had. Pct is no time to begin experimenting with things. Torem or clomid next time but nolva now.

Heed these posts gentlemen. This is what happens when you start questioning yourself...
 
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What about Torem AND Clomid next time??

Ponder that one, young Samurai..
 

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Originally I was just gonna run 150 for the first 5-7 days
oh gosh no
DO NOT EVER, EVER DO THAT!
150 for first day of pct maybe, after a harsh compound that you know has shut you down..drop after that
i would not even run 100 for a week myself, too much and not needed
(also - you multiply your chances of issues immensely not only vision but other as well with that kind of dosage)

This is what happens when you start questioning yourself...
i understand
as we all stated, you prolly do not need clomid with what you already ran anyway
don't trip
 
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oh gosh no
DO NOT EVER, EVER DO THAT!
150 for first day of pct maybe, drop after that..i would not even run 100 for a week myself, too much and not needed
(also - you multiply your chances of issues immensely not only vision but other as well with that kind of dosage)

i understand
as we all stated, you prolly do not need clomid with what you already ran anyway
don't trip
Always learning big dog. Thanks
 
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clomid + exemestane for me
ftw
I can dig it.

I love Aromasin. Hitting it EOD right now. Do you use it all the way through PCT? I was going to dose it low EOD with my Torem for the first 2 weeks?

Sorry for thread jacking. At least it's on topic. Lol
 
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Word. Yeah, I'm bringing HCG in around week 3.
Good, should be ok tough cycle though. I have never gone that far. I'm a little long in the tooth for that.
 

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I love Aromasin. Hitting it EOD right now. Do you use it all the way through PCT? I was going to dose it low EOD with my Torem for the first 2 weeks?
nice, exactly using 1/2way thru pct
i'd still do 12.5 ed tho, only change i see
(but that would be w/ clomid, can't say when using torem so you may have better plan there)

looks like you know what you're doing
 
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Aromasin with clo, arimidex with nolva?
 

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Always learning big dog. Thanks
another thing to keep in mind
these higher doses of clo are more geared not only for harsher compounds, but also length of cycle, and age plays a BIG factor in how much you want to use
a lil tougher for us older guys to bounce back, than when you are younger
i still see some guys my age, using outlandish amounts..crazy
 
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another thing to keep in mind
these higher doses of clo are more geared not only for harsher compounds, but also length of cycle, and age plays a BIG factor in how much you want to use
a lil tougher for us older guys to bounce back, than when you are younger
i still see some guys my age, using outlandish amounts..crazy
Well that's probably where I got my info on clomid kickers then. Damn old people running these forums. Lol
 
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Enough talk. I'm off to the gym
 
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nice, exactly using 1/2way thru pct
i'd still do 12.5 ed tho, only change i see
(but that would be w/ clomid, can't say when using torem so you may have better plan there)

looks like you know what you're doing
I see.
Will do.
 
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Day 2 Chest
Weight 198
Cuff Warmup
Flat Bench
8@135, 8@135, 8@225, 5@295, 5@315, 5@295+5@225---> WISH I HAD A SPOTTER FOR BENCH!!!
Machine Fly
20@170x3
Decline Bench
19@185, 16@185, 15@185wide, 20@135wide Cardio
8 min HIIT@ stairmaster

Day 2 PCT. Nolva still tastes like ****. Trying higher reps after big lifts, felt good
 
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