PCT after Superdrol

[leftside1]

Hi guys, my first post here. I've been a lurker and found some interesting info on this site, but I have a specific question regarding PCT after using a Superdrol clone. I am 1 week into using Superdrol for the first time. Starting lightly at 10mg/day and will bump up to 20mg/day starting next week. Already seen more aggression and endurance when in the gym and when mountain biking. Only side so far is lack of sleep, but I seem to have fixed that by taking melatonin.

I have read a lot about different SERMS such as Nolva, Torem and Clomid, and AI's. Are there particular ones I should be using after Superdrol?

I already have some Clomid ready for the PCT. I also have some FormaSurge and Tongkat Ali ready. I've responded very well to Tongkat Ali in the past when using it as a "normal" supplement.

I'm also taking herbs and supplements such as milk thistle, red yeast, etc - basically all the ones you see mentioned.

This is my first ever cycle. I'm 42 and have been very healthy my whole life, but I've also never had a problem experimenting with drugs within a controlled environment. I'm planning on giving an update at the end of the Superdrol cycle and at the end of the PCT.

[chris223]

Hi guys, my first post here. I've been a lurker and found some interesting info on this site, but I have a specific question regarding PCT after using a Superdrol clone. I am 1 week into using Superdrol for the first time. Starting lightly at 10mg/day and will bump up to 20mg/day starting next week. Already seen more aggression and endurance when in the gym and when mountain biking. Only side so far is lack of sleep, but I seem to have fixed that by taking melatonin.

I have read a lot about different SERMS such as Nolva, Torem and Clomid, and AI's. Are there particular ones I should be using after Superdrol?

I already have some Clomid ready for the PCT. I also have some FormaSurge and Tongkat Ali ready. I've responded very well to Tongkat Ali in the past when using it as a "normal" supplement.

I'm also taking herbs and supplements such as milk thistle, red yeast, etc - basically all the ones you see mentioned.

This is my first ever cycle. I'm 42 and have been very healthy my whole life, but I've also never had a problem experimenting with drugs within a controlled environment. I'm planning on giving an update at the end of the Superdrol cycle and at the end of the PCT.

You're basically covered for PCT with clomid and Formasurge. Most guys like to add DAA to PCT, but it's more of an ancillary. Depends on what you're willing to spend and whether you'd prefer to go bare bones or throw the kitchen sink at it.

[StangBanger]

clomid is GTG... you are all set... like mentioned, I love adding DAA, its cheap and effective but not necessary.

[leftside1]

Thanks. Yes I also have some DAA. Should have mentioned that.

[zeroshens]

I would get some nolvadex as well in case you get a gyno flare up while you're on.

[StangBanger]

I would get some nolvadex as well in case you get a gyno flare up while you're on.

Umm.. much better options that Nolva for that... personally I consider this bad advice but to each his own...

get an AI if needed on, save nolva for pct/

[Red9]

Umm.. much better options that Nolva for that... personally I consider this bad advice but to each his own...

get an AI if needed on, save nolva for pct/

I plan to run SD sometime next year possibly. Would a milder AI like Recycle by Purus labs be fit for while I'm "on" ?

[StangBanger]

depends who you ask.... your BEST bet is to get arimidex or aromasin on hand just in case.... I dont advocate OTC products for dire situations like gyno. some people will say Erase is good, but again... depends on who you ask. With that said, I have seen and read logs of people using things like Erase for AI on cycle, Nolva on cycle, etc... just would not be the route I go.

[leftside1]

As I'm already going to be using two chemicals - SD and clomid, I was hoping for a more "natural" AI with FormaSurge. I'll start the FormaSurge 2 weeks after the clomid. Having said that, I will get some arimidex or aromasin for "just in case".

So far, I am day 11 into my SD cycle and taking 20 mgs/day. One cap in the morning and one in the afternoon. I know my body very well, and I have to say that this stuff is quite toxic. I'm "on top" of everything with a very clean diet, but if you didn't do your research with this stuff - and did things like drinking alcohol - you could be in a lot of trouble. Benefits are good though. My "v shape" is becoming more defined.

Next time though I think I will do one of the "novice cycles" from the anabolic insider. I have plenty of time to research "sources". Looks to me like these black market steroids if done properly have less side effects than SD. Just need to pluck up the courage to self-inject

[MattPorter]

For folks who stocked up and like running superdrol cycles -- but like to know pct recovery is efficient.

Check out this older review from a 40 yr old male who ran Superdrol and experienced plummeted test levels then ran

Sustain Alpha & Toco-8 for 4 weeks and had doubled his levels.... I can only imagine that the inclusion of TCF-1 and EndoAMP max would only magnify the effects --

See the feedback w/ blood exam below -

The 40 yr old male had chronically low testosterone. He had his hormone values checked on 12/9/07 prior to running an 8 week 1-T THP ether / Superdrol cycle. His levels where at 289ng/dl.

For PCT he used Sustain Alpha with Toco-8. He didn’t expect to get his T levels past 300ng/dl since he had had low T level for so long. After the cycle, he ran the PCT for 30 days, then got his hormones values tested 30 days after PCT.

After PCT, his results came back with the highest levels of Testosterone he had in years --782 ng/dl. You will also notice a reduction in LH/FSH. This shows that his testes where sensitized to the effects of the LH/FSH and where able to make more testosterone with less stimulation. Toco-8 helps make the testes more sensitive to LH/FSH – testicular sensitivity is key.



-Matt

[MattPorter]

Serms might become obsolete soon.

Even though they work....other things also work just as well with less side effects

-Matt

[Red9]

Serms might become obsolete soon.

Even though they work....other things also work just as well with less side effects

-Matt

I am newer to SERMS, so in all seriousness can I ask what "other things" work just as well? I'm curious to know the answer

[ThunderHumper]

Serms might become obsolete soon.

Even though they work....other things also work just as well with less side effects

-Matt

assuming prhormones survive the next year (which they wont), i totaly see this happening too. unfortunately i also believe that those "other things" are going to become cycles themselves after prohormones disapear from the market

[StangBanger]

I am newer to SERMS, so in all seriousness can I ask what "other things" work just as well? I'm curious to know the answer

Whatever the reps from the supp company wants to sell you... dont drink the kool aid - he is pushing product.

No hate Porter, I know you know your stuff.... but let's not advise OTC instead of SERM... thats just not right to do on here.

[Red9]

Whatever the reps from the supp company wants to sell you... dont drink the kool aid - he is pushing product.

No hate Porter, I know you know your stuff.... but let's not advise OTC instead of SERM... thats just not right to do on here.

That's exactly why I was curious to see what the answer might be. From what I do know, I know that I won't be sold on the idea that a SERM isn't necessary..

[MattPorter]

Whatever the reps from the supp company wants to sell you... dont drink the kool aid - he is pushing product.

No hate Porter, I know you know your stuff.... but let's not advise OTC instead of SERM... thats just not right to do on here.

I understand completely.

The cool thing is -- I never used typical SERMS for pct long before I was affiliated with ANY company. I just used them like everyone else and felt terrible on them.

Did not agree with my body & mind. Starting using low dose AI's, different herbs, peptides, igf-1 etc....and found myself dong much better without SERMs.

But I will NEVER say they DONT work.

-Matt

[leftside1]

I understand completely.

The cool thing is -- I never used typical SERMS for pct long before I was affiliated with ANY company. I just used them like everyone else and felt terrible on them.

Did not agree with my body & mind. Starting using low dose AI's, different herbs, peptides, igf-1 etc....and found myself dong much better without SERMs.

But I will NEVER say they DONT work.

-Matt

Do you mind me asking what herbs you use? I really like Tongkat Ali and have a good supplier.

I am currently on day 4 of PCT after SD and feel fine - actually I feel great. I'm using a lot of products though:
Clomid, Nolvadren XT, Dermacrine, FormaSurge, Tongkat Ali, DAA, Toco-8, EndoAmp and M-Stak.

[MattPorter]

Do you mind me asking what herbs you use? I really like Tongkat Ali and have a good supplier.

I am currently on day 4 of PCT after SD and feel fine - actually I feel great. I'm using a lot of products though:
Clomid, Nolvadren XT, Dermacrine, FormaSurge, Tongkat Ali, DAA, Toco-8, EndoAmp and M-Stak.

Dioscorea Deltioda
Fenugreek (fenucides)
Avena sativa
Maca

tribestan

-Matt

[jason2304]

How did u get novadex xt? It's been off the market for two years... At least that's what I thought.

[leftside1]

How did u get novadex xt? It's been off the market for two years... At least that's what I thought.

Nolvadren XT. It's spelt slightly differently