Pct experiment.

[rsnake21]

Who here has gone the route of otc pct. I would like to give this a shot this go. What I'm thinking is 10/20/20/10/5 for my sd, start my daa about 10 days out, and my creatine and erase once my cycle is done. What other products you guys think I should throw in?

 

[rsnake21]

No one? A lil discussion here boys.

 

[sidoious]

Most opinions around here would suggest a SERM if you're running SD, and DAA should be run immediately after your cycle, not during.

 

[rsnake21]

I know everyone says a serm and I'm all for serms as well. Last cycle I ran clomid. Problem is you really don't know what youre getting from these research companies. I have no idea if what I took even did anything. As far as daa I meant start it about 10 days away from the completion of my cycle. I'm willing to try this way out, I think it would be good if only for research purposes.

 

[Airborne42]

I know everyone says a serm and I'm all for serms as well. Last cycle I ran clomid. Problem is you really don't know what youre getting from these research companies. I have no idea if what I took even did anything. As far as daa I meant start it about 10 days away from the completion of my cycle. I'm willing to try this way out, I think it would be good if only for research purposes.

Your nuts bruh lol and titties ;-) I'd start Daa earlier... Takes a lil while to saturated in the testes

 

[rsnake21]

So would you recommend anything else? Like a-hd or something like that.

 

[Airborne42]

So would you recommend anything else? Like a-hd or something like that.

Are you tryin to make ur own pct or maybe TRS with additives

 

[rsnake21]

Just gonna taper off the s.d. and use all otc supps for pct and see what happens.

 

[Callejul]

This doesn't sound like a good idea. SD is f******** harsh on the body. Do you have everything for an otc pct in order atleast. I would run the test v2 and resveratrol v2 stack from Nutra. Those atleadt have proven bloodwork behind them to back them up. Something like erase should help out too.

Bump!

 

[Airborne42]

This doesn't sound like a good idea. SD is f******** harsh on the body. Do you have everything for an otc pct in order atleast. I would run the test v2 and resveratrol v2 stack from Nutra. Those atleadt have proven bloodwork behind them to back them up. Something like erase should help out too.

Bump!

You mean reversitol and that would be an AI as well. No need for erase

 

[Callejul]

You mean reversitol and that would be an AI as well. No need for erase

Yes reversitol v2 and testobolan v2.... no need for erase.... just thought it would help considering he is not using a SERM

 

[Airborne42]

Yes reversitol v2 and testobolan v2.... no need for erase.... just thought it would help considering he is not using a SERM

U said resveratrol lol

 

[rsnake21]

I'm still going to use all support supps. Also I am planning on using erase.

 

[MadmanMike]

Are you gonna log this OTC? Are you getting blood work before cycle and after pct? Otherwise how will we really know if you recovered? I hope you know what your doing? Will you have a serm on hand just incase you change your mind?

 

[rsnake21]

I'll log it for sure. As far as bloodwork I'm not sure yet.

 

[duke66]

This is a bad idea, it is reckless and careless. It is also why experiments like this are conducted on animals and not HEALTHY human subjects. If you mess yourself up the recovery afterward will be a long one and absolutely miserable.

 

[rsnake21]

I disagree. They didn't know anything about serms in the 60's and 70's and those guys are ok. Like I said I'm not against serms at all, I just think the bb community has gotten out of hand with it.

 

[MadmanMike]

Are you running the OTC pct for 4 weeks or 6?

 

[rsnake21]

Was planning on a 4 weeker but whatever it takes I guess.

 

[rsnake21]

I need some people with more knowledge than me to give suggestions and have some discussion on what I should use in this.

 

[liftin4fun]

Honestly with blood work you will know if you have recovered or not. Have clomid on hand if your still shut down to get yourself going again. Nolva on hand can't hurt either. Also, if you like buy your SERMS from an online pharmacy if you don't like research chemicals. You can buy name brand and not generics.

 

[rsnake21]

I will have some on hand just in case but I really believe it can be done without a serm.

 

[mattys4]

i would love to hear more about this

 

[GreenEarth]

Damn man, you've got some balls to knowingly use an otc pct...let's just hope you still have them when this is over

 

[rsnake21]

Me too, I'm trying to get some discussion going on this. I need more suggestions.

 

[Lhns2]

Trizolae and activate xtreme

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[Callejul]

Who here has gone the route of otc pct. I would like to give this a shot this go. What I'm thinking is 10/20/20/10/5 for my sd, start my daa about 10 days out, and my creatine and erase once my cycle is done. What other products you guys think I should throw in?

I don't understand why you up the dose to 20 mg and then you drop to 5? I would just do 10 throughout to keep blood levels stable and not have your body on a hormonal rollarcoaster..... as for otc pct I'll look up some other products...

 

[rsnake21]

My thoughts are to taper up then back down so I'll have some in my system while my own testosterone restarts.

 

[Callejul]

If I can find it, I remember seeing bloodwork for a SD cycle just three days showing extremely low levels of lh and fsh. Shutdown down just 3 days into cycle!

 

[spezzy]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/203437-otc-vs-serm.html

Used erase and T-Up black. I wouldn't call levels of 300~ recovered. He also ran P-Mag which is nowhere near as harsh as SD. I've ran SD for 3 weeks. Hell I ran it for 8 weeks before too (Don't recommend that at all..)

Trust, run some toremifene and call it a day.

Honestly, what is the point? You can order scripts online without showing proof. Use your resources. Cheaper than some RC sites. But even then, there is a certain supplier with COA and tests showing it is what it says it is.

 

[rsnake21]

Guess ima b*tch out fellas. Y'all talked me out of it lol.

 

[MadmanMike]

Guess ima b*tch out fellas. Y'all talked me out of it lol.

probably a good call, without bloodwork would have been pointless... I think total test of 356 was recovered as I gained 15 pounds on bench after that pct, I make most of my heavy gains after pct actually...just weird I guess lol.

 

[uncfan36]

Your testosterone isn't going to build up just because you're taking smaller amounts of SD.

 

[XripdupX]

Guess ima b*tch out fellas. Y'all talked me out of it lol.

Good idea. Better safe than sorry trust me. Ran my first ph(hdrol) yr or so back and didnt know any better and used otc pct. I got lucky since maybe it was my first and a mild one bc i didnt have any major sides but even it shut me down hard and took me a while to recover properly. Had blood work done two weeks into the otc pct and my test lvls was only at 120 and took me 3 months to recover. If you dont have everything you need for the cycle then the cycle itself isnt worth doing. My .2

 

[rsnake21]

I agree but I'm just uneasy about what you are getting from these research sites. Last cycle I ran clomid in my pct and have no idea if it was legit or not. Couldn't tell I was taking anything. Nobody I know around here has even heard of clomid much less anything to do with pct so it's hard to find a trusted source.

 

[duke66]

I agree but I'm just uneasy about what you are getting from these research sites. Last cycle I ran clomid in my pct and have no idea if it was legit or not. Couldn't tell I was taking anything. Nobody I know around here has even heard of clomid much less anything to do with pct so it's hard to find a trusted source.

Then order from a online pharmacy and get the legit items you need. Very easy to find a reputable one and consider that what you are looking for is on average not one of the things that is fake. The stuff is so cheap it just ain't worth it.

 

[Lhns2]

Then order from a online pharmacy and get the legit items you need. Very easy to find a reputable one and consider that what you are looking for is on average not one of the things that is fake. The stuff is so cheap it just ain't worth it.

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[rsnake21]

Who the hell knows what sites are legit? Lol I don't.

 

[B5150]

Unless you have pre-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork your "experiment" is on no value to anyone.

Otherwise...do a cycle, use a SERM and repeat.

 

[Airborne42]

Unless you have pre-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork your "experiment" is on no value to anyone.

Otherwise...do a cycle, use a SERM and repeat.

This ^^^ smart man

 

[Raiph]

I sincerely hope you decide to go for a SERM PCT buddy; I went for a cycle of superdrol when I was young(er) and reckless(er?) and had only formestane on hand for my PCT. Sex drive died a hideous death, almost split me up from my missus who thought I must either be really unattracted to her or poking someone else despite me trying to explain PH's to her. The boys were the size of marbles, I had serious ED, gyno flare ups, lethargy and I lost a significant amount of the 10 odd pounds I gained. All in all, it was a car crash, and I wish I had gone the safe route. However I'm sure there are plenty of people who'll tell you about their mate who runs m-drol year round and doesn't do any PCT and is absolutely fine (I'd take that with a pinch of salt), but my experience is always go the safe route.