Need some help on regulating test
- 05-23-2011, 08:22 PM
Need some help on regulating test
Im in the army and i was training for special forces. I took The Natabolic stack and it kicked ass and i finished my formadrol. Only thing is my balls are def down in size and my sex drive is alot lower. I know its dumb because im 20 and since then ive gone all natural. I Just got labs done so ill see if my levels are normal soon but what could i take to get my levels back to normal if they refuse to help me, any help is great. Im just worried and since i decided to go natural id rather not be scared my body is destroyed. I was thinking a bottle of pink magic maybe T911 and i should be back to normal?
- 05-23-2011, 08:39 PM
You really shouldnt have any issues after that stack. But if you want to try the pink magic and the T-911 it wouldnt be a bad thing. I am on my 2nd successful run with P.M. myself. Personally a bottle of TCF-1 and some Toco-8 by primordial would be my first pick.
- 05-23-2011, 08:43 PM
Thanks for being fast about helping me out bro
Yeah man i dont like playing with my balls im really just trying to get back to normal. My girlfriend is freaked out. lol its horrible. Im trying to stay natural because once i get the over glorious Test boost from something unnatural its like i want to keep going. Appreciate your input Big time.
05-23-2011, 08:47 PM
No worries bro, I know exactly what you mean. And you are still considered natural because Natadrol technically is. Yes, it increases androgenic activity, but it wont necessarily shut you down. Either way you go, you will be fine and things will return back to normal shortly. Keep it up bro!
05-23-2011, 08:47 PM
try using clomid it brings the boys back..
Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.
Aromasin or a similar aromatase inhibitor is for testosterone recovery and it is used to keep the testosterone/estrogen balance in favor of testosterone. It is also helps to keep any additionally occurring estrogen from HCG low to none.
05-23-2011, 08:57 PM
Dare I say that HCG use is more important than SERMS(nolva or clomid) for good hpta recovery after a LONG cycle( 12 weeks or longer)
Personally I would use hcg during any cycle 8 weeks or longer...and if you are really paranoid and want the absolute most rapid hpta recovery then use it during any cycle for next to zero testicular shrinkage.
Now you will recover hpta without hcg, and fairly quickly if you truly have not suffered from much testicular atrophy, but not as rapidly as you could and that will cost you at least some gains.
HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone taken from placentas during pregnancy. It limics the action of LH from the pituitary and stimualtes testosterone production in the testes.
It is important to the male bodybuilder in that proper use of this hormone PREVENTS testicular atrophy caused by HPTA shut down from steroid use.
If the testes are shut down they will shrink, it's as simple as that. The degree of shrinkage depends upon the length of time "on" androgens. Some guys literally see their testes atrophy down to raisen size..NO ****. Others see modest shrinkage and a few say they see NO shrinkage. In the latter this is BS and has to due with poor pre-cycle assessmant of testicular size....after all how many of us sit down before a cycle and really feel the true size of our balls.
NOTE: all steroids will shut you down 100% and at a very low dose, and that includes Primo and anavar for you sceptics. As little as 100mg a weekof testosterone administered exogenously in the form of injections will shut you down in as little as a few weeks.
The hormones that drive the HPT axis(LH and GnRH) recover full potential quite quickly post cycle. The hypothalamus rapidly senses a low androgen level and pumps out GnRH and this tells the pituitary to release LH for testicular stimulation of T production......trouble is if the nuts are small they simply cannot respond well to this stimulation. The testes take a fair amount of time to "get going" after a long sleep and as a result T levels post cycle can be low for months(if greatly atrophied). This obviously results in a rapid loss of gains, not to mention phycological isssues such as depression as well as physical issues like fatigue.
* SO it is important for "optimal" gainskeeping to try to begin HPTA recovery with full or nearly full sized testes.
HOW TO USE HCG
It is best to prevent testicular atrophy in the first place rather than trying to bringing the boys back to size after they have already atrophied.
With this in mind prudent use of hcg is DURING a cycle.
HCG can be taken either IM or sub Q in the fat and yes you can mix it with your oils.
Take it at 500iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle.
Some use it post cycle at higher doses after their testes have already shrunk. This method works but I do not believe that it is the best way to use HCG. In this method one injects a high dose of hcg right near the end ofa cycle but before clomid. The opening dose is often 3000iu's followed sometimes by another 3000 4 days latter and then 1500iu's every 4th or 5th day and then the last shot is usually only 1000iu's....total time three weeks.
No use taking clomid or nolav with the HCG since HCG will supress the hpta all by itself via the testosterone production it stimulates.
WARNING.....if you use hcg at a high dose for too long you might desensitize the testes to LH so don't get carried away with it.
SERMS clomid and nolva
After any cycle a SERM should be used, either clomid or nolva.
SERMS help to "kickstart" a sleepy hpyothalmic GnRH response.
GnRH is pretty quick to recover but SERMS help the hypothalamus to "turn the key" on the GnRH impulse generating engine.
SERMS block the affect of estrogen at the hypothalamus and since estrogen is highly inhibitory this blocking affect allows for greater LH production. This "greater LH production" strongly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone.
If you use only gear that does NOT aromatize to estrogen then you don't have to worry about the inhibitory affect of estrogen post cycle(from the steroid)...but SERMs should still be used to counter the inhibitory affect of the estrogen seen form the T production(from the hcg use).....and also from the estrogen production from the aromatization of the T production form your testes after the hcg is stopped.
*Even if you never used HCG you should still use a SERM after a cycle with non aromatizing gear to counter the inhibitory effect of normal estrogen production(from the aromatization of T from your improving T production)
You have to wait until exogenous androgen levels drop to a similar level of what a normal T production would be, in order for this LH stimulating affect from SERMS to work, since androgens are also highly inhibitory on the hypothalamus.
So you must have to have a good grasp on the half lifes of the various gear you use. You also have to be aware of the how the dose taken factors into the equation. ie: test cyp has a half life of around 6 days so with this in mind 500mg of test cyp will reduce to 250 mg in a week and about 125 in another week. That 125mg is about 100mg of pure testosterone(minus ester weight) and you can now begin SERM therapy because that level is near what a normal T output would be(slightly higher though)
NOTE: There is no penalty for starting a SERM too early but there is one for starting too late.
Search for half lifes of other gear in other threads on the boards.
On opening "SERM day", post cycle, you want to do a "loading dose" of about 200-300mg of clomid in divided doses in order to get blood levels up pronto. Then take 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg/day for 3 more weeks MINIMUM... and longer after deca use.
Alternatively you can use nolva at 80mg on day one in divided dose and then 40mg /day for a week and then 20mg/day for at least 3 more weeks.
05-23-2011, 09:09 PM
Rather selfless of you to want to help ppl. No joke ppl dont care about others most of the time. Says alot about your character. Where do you get the 2 supps from Primordial Performance for the cheapest price? And they def were the most natural i could find. How'd they work for you. Like i said you are the man thanks big time ill be back in SF training very soon at this rate.
05-23-2011, 09:10 PM
hey brotha appreciate the help as well but i dont think clomid is in my range. a little too strong for what i just came off. Idk if my testes are that bad off lol i can still get the job done but it isnt like it was a few months ago
05-23-2011, 09:23 PM
give it a try u never know ??
05-23-2011, 11:49 PM
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Im almost a month into Primordial Performance's Trs and Tcf-1 just to try it as a natty cycle and im super pleased. I noticed last week that the boys are much fuller than normal, and about 10 days in libido and load size increase was substantial. Im in the process of losing weight and I can say some days my strength has gone up instead of dropping, otherwise its staying the same. Recovery is slightly better too.
Just fyi I am 2 days into Sub Sterone wich has nothing to do with the topic, but I thought id mention it anyways.
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