- 12-15-2010, 12:38 PM
I'll be starting PCT for my Malicious Mass recomp. cycle in several weeks and still haven't decided what to go with. Some things I've been considering are:
Testosterone Recovery Stack
Erase & DAA
I don't mind plunking down some cash if it's going to help, but I'd rather not be unnecessarily redundant or buy things that just aren't effective. I'm already covered on liver support, vitamins, fish oil, and the staples. I'd like to stay under $200 if possible, but most important is that I keep my results. Thoughts?
Stats: 6'4", 197 lbs. @8% BF (will be lower by the end of the cycle)
Training: 5/3/1 (with some modifications) plus circuit/interval/crossfit/martial arts for cardio.
Diet: Recomp -carb cycling/intermittent fasting
Supps: Mal. Mass -4 caps/day
Erase -2 caps
Fish Oil -Uh...lots
Vit. C -5g
plus probiotics, multi, whey, NO Shotgun, creatine, glutamine...and I think that's it.
- 12-16-2010, 01:21 AM
I would go like this!!!
Clomid 50/50/50/50 take right before you go to sleep
HCGenerate 5/5/5/5/ split them up 3am 2 pm
Erase 3/2/2/1 start at third week of pct!! split them up!
This should be good enough but thats just me (save some $$$)
- 12-16-2010, 02:33 AM
live and learn...they r all good supps but NONE have science behind them like a SERM and i dont give a damn what any rep sais
and you dont have to dose a serm right before you go to bed
clomid for instance- its half life is 5 days
take serm whenev erTest e/dbol/epi/winnie
12-16-2010, 02:35 AM
ohhh you didnt buy it yet....dude that stack is over 200 easily
12-16-2010, 02:53 AM
12-16-2010, 10:14 AM
I'm not planning on buying the entire list. That was the list of things I've been considering. I plan on choosing a few things from that list. Also, no SERM. I'm uncomfortable with the extra side effects that could come from a SERM as well as the legality.
12-16-2010, 04:56 PM
Now that is just the dumbest excuse ever for not getting a SERM....
What, you think a cop or DEA guy will come kick in your door wondering what you're doing with a $30 vial of research chemicals?
Seriously....get the effing SERM or stick to Muscletech products to get "heyooooge"
I give a f**K!!
12-16-2010, 05:55 PM
Thanks for not being helpful at all. I'm not buying Muscletech stuff, but I care about legality and more importantly, I care about knowing what I'm putting in my body and what side effects it can cause. I'm not comfortable with many of the side effects commonly associated with SERMs.
12-16-2010, 07:58 PM
A. Not illegal
B. Scientifically prove to stimulate testosterone production
If your going to cycle
get a serm
trust me the side effects from a steroid(or ph) out weigh serms oin a case to case basis
delta he didnt say anything about a serm in his original post
SERM is a grey area- you wont be arrested for clomid dude
12-16-2010, 09:19 PM
So, aside from the SERM (which I'll consider), what are the thoughts on the rest? Any reason any of these options (or something else entirely) would be better than the other?
12-17-2010, 08:21 PM
12-17-2010, 10:36 PM
12-18-2010, 09:28 AM
google "research chemicals" theres a place I like that is $30 for vial, $10 for shipping....sometimes have BOGO sales......
IDK, but good luck, anyway
I give a f**K!!
12-26-2010, 09:11 PM
12-26-2010, 09:50 PM
I'll be using DAA, Erase, and Suppress-C, for sure. I haven't decided whether to use a SERM or not. I'm really uneasy about the idea of using research chemicals that could come with their own possible side effects far worse than a temporary testosterone drop.
12-26-2010, 11:55 PM
There are side effects to worry about with SERMS, and with so many options for an OTC PCT my position now is to lower the amount of a SERM I need for pct. Also there are some alternatives to Clomid and Nolva such as Toremifene that have less sides, and is superior for recovery imo.
12-27-2010, 01:01 AM
SERM= synthetic estrogen.
50mg every day of clomid will 99.6% leave you with no side effect.
You afraid of vision sides? unlikely at that dose..
Afraid of being emotional? Unlikely at that dose..
Your gonna be on for 4 weeks.. Patients on this drug and nolvadex can be on for months with little sides...
DAA and erase can not take the place of clomid ever...
You will lose most gains if you expect your PCT to help yuou in any way..
research chems are legal, so dont throw around legality BS... It is just as legal as the 2 steroids you are putting in your body..
Get clomid, forma stanzol and sustain alpha and you wont have a better PCT...
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