When is it best to introduce an AI in PCT?

  1. When is it best to introduce an AI in PCT?


    What is the best time to introduce an OTC AI in a pct. Supposing the rest of the PCT was set up with a SERM and a natural Test booster. I have heard to run them all simultaneously and I have also heard to run SERM for 2 weeks before using the ai and test booster. Which is better?


  2. 2-3 weeks into PCT as your SERM use is tapering down.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    2-3 weeks into PCT as your SERM use is tapering down.
    Agreed. ERASE should be perfect for this
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  4. Why not from the start?

    I have always done:

    Nolva: 3/3/2/2/1/1
    ATD: 1/1/1/1/1/2

  5. Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    Why not from the start?

    I have always done:

    Nolva: 3/3/2/2/1/1
    ATD: 1/1/1/1/1/2
    Because your test levels will be very low for the first 2 weeks anyway, so aromatase activity should not be a huge problem.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Because your test levels will be very low for the first 2 weeks anyway, so aromatase activity should not be a huge problem.
    What does that have to do with anything? Estrogen will be elevated post-cycle.This reduction in estrogen production leads to reduced amounts of circulating estrogen which leads to an indirect increase in testosterone levels.

    I also find that this helps with estrogen related headaches, depression, lack of drive to workout, libido ect.

  7. Immediately post cycle, what exactly is your body making all of this estrogen from?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Immediately post cycle, what exactly is your body making all of this estrogen from?
    It will rise rapidly post cycle, within the first couple of days. When using a serm, you will have an abnormal amount of circulating estrogen.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    It will rise rapidly post cycle, within the first couple of days. When using a serm, you will have an abnormal amount of circulating estrogen.
    Out of thin air? Aromatase needs to be controlled when test levels rise enough to make conversion to estrogen an issue...within a few weeks after pct starts. Estrogenic effects are controlled with serms until then.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Out of thin air? Aromatase needs to be controlled when test levels ride enough to make convrersion to estrogen an issue...within a few weeks after pct starts. Estrogenic effects are controlled with serms until then.
    ATD blocks androgens in the hypothalamus, but allows it to be active in other tissue.

    Because of this dual action estrogen levels are lowered while testosterone levels begin to rise. This is because ATD tricks your hypothalamus into thinking testosterone levels are low so it produces more. ATD provides benefits far beyond simply controlling estrogen in your body. Through its control over the androgen negative feedback loop testosterone production is restarted much faster. And the faster you recover your natural testosterone production the easier it is to keep muscular gains.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    ATD blocks androgens in the hypothalamus, but allows it to be active in other tissue.

    Because of this dual action estrogen levels are lowered while testosterone levels begin to rise. This is because ATD tricks your hypothalamus into thinking testosterone levels are low so it produces more. ATD provides benefits far beyond simply controlling estrogen in your body. Through its control over the androgen negative feedback loop testosterone production is restarted much faster. And the faster you recover your natural testosterone production the easier it is to keep muscular gains.
    Fantastic...except none of that has anything to with aromatase inhibition, which is the OPs question.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Fantastic...except none of that has anything to with aromatase inhibition, which is the OPs question.
    I don't know the answer to OP's question, why is why I also asked. Was hoping you more experienced guys could help me out.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    It will rise rapidly post cycle, within the first couple of days. When using a serm, you will have an abnormal amount of circulating estrogen.

    No. It doesn't RISE rapidly, it is already being produced by your body while on cycle to match the unnatural levels of test. When the test is taken away the estrogen stays at its already elevated levels. A serm also has nothing to do with estro levels. It just makes sure the estrogen doesn't attach to the receptors and give you t!ts.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by jeanlolonnais View Post
    What is the best time to introduce an OTC AI in a pct. Supposing the rest of the PCT was set up with a SERM and a natural Test booster. I have heard to run them all simultaneously and I have also heard to run SERM for 2 weeks before using the ai and test booster. Which is better?
    Wait at least 7-10 days for the AI. The increased estrogen levels will actually help your body to begin natural test production again and you must wait for this to begin before even considering an AI. If there is no test to aromatize then there's no need for an AI.
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  15. I back Dsade on this!

    I like to run my AI inversely to my serm...when I drop the dosage of my serm at the 2 week mark, I introduce my AI of choice.
  

  
 

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