can i get away without a serm on a havoc cycle?

  1. can i get away without a serm on a havoc cycle?


    Im 21 and want to cycle havoc 20/20/20/20/20 along with milk thistle and msm, chondroiton and glucosamine
    I dont have a source for a serm and know i should always have one on hand but like i said i dont have a source.
    I would definitely take some other type of pct though like maybe nova xt and some natural estrogen blockers like calcium d-glucarate, indole-3-carbino, and grape seed extract with reveritrol.
    Does that sound acceptable to yall or is it a bad idea?


  2. Also I would take optimum zma and tribulus for pct. Sorry i forgot to add those

  3. Can u get away with not having balls? I mean i know Havoc is mild but why risk it!
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  4. just dont have a way to get a serm but thats also why im asking before doing it. I like my nuts and they like hot chicks and i would like to keep it that way haha
    I was just seeing if it was necessary to take one bc i knew havoc was pretty mild in comparison to most

  5. Quote Originally Posted by undershooter3 View Post
    just dont have a way to get a serm but thats also why im asking before doing it. I like my nuts and they like hot chicks and i would like to keep it that way haha
    I was just seeing if it was necessary to take one bc i knew havoc was pretty mild in comparison to most
    Chat up the biggest guy at your gym. Imo you should never cycle without a proper PCT prepared and in your possession (i.e. not in the mail possibly to be confiscated by customs).

  6. If you cut it down to 4 weeks probably be ok. But what if something happens. You can get liquid SERM for your lab rats, in case they start growing tits...

  7. I went ahead and ordered some nolva 20/20/10/10 sound right?

  8. I also used some taurine last time I ran Havoc, because backpumps are a b...ch. Just an FYI

  9. Sure you can get by. BUT, it will take longer to recover your body's norm. On a pulse with Halo, furaz I had zero sides. But still did some nolvadex for just over 2 weeks 20/20/10 for a few days. Horn dog was the word in week 2.

    Best be safe than sorry. After a few cycles you will begin to understand how your bod recovers. But again, better safe than....

  10. nolva at 20/20/10/10 is good but i don't think havoc at 20/20/20/20 will do to much...ur gonna want to get to atleast 30 if not 40

  11. You definitely want a PCT with HAVOC. If not you will get rebound gyno, I know this from first hand experience. Took 15 days worth of havoc, 7 months later bam! gyno.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by houseofpainhulk View Post
    You definitely want a PCT with HAVOC. If not you will get rebound gyno, I know this from first hand experience. Took 15 days worth of havoc, 7 months later bam! gyno.
    That's false. Gyno is dependent on the person...not everyone gets it. I ran havoc at 30/40/40/40/50/60. Light dosed serm with t-booster should do the trick. Just dose the cycle at 40 the whole way...anything else is a waste of time IMO.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    That's false. Gyno is dependent on the person...not everyone gets it. I ran havoc at 30/40/40/40/50/60. Light dosed serm with t-booster should do the trick. Just dose the cycle at 40 the whole way...anything else is a waste of time IMO.

    Yeah, sure not everyone gets gyno this is true, but... How does he know if he will or will not get gyno from this. I say why risk it? Just do a pct and have all your bases covered, better safe than sorry.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by houseofpainhulk View Post
    Yeah, sure not everyone gets gyno this is true, but... How does he know if he will or will not get gyno from this. I say why risk it? Just do a pct and have all your bases covered, better safe than sorry.
    Even use of a SERM may not prevent gyno.

    Just be aware that gyno could pop-up period...even months after your cycle. It's annoying but can easily be taken care of with letro and nolva

  15. if your not going to use a serm keep your cycle at 4 weeks.
    havoc at 20 will do nothing you need 30 or 40.
    you should always have a serm on hand even if your going to use a otc pct.
  

  
 

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