can i get away without a serm on a havoc cycle?

[undershooter3]

Im 21 and want to cycle havoc 20/20/20/20/20 along with milk thistle and msm, chondroiton and glucosamine
I dont have a source for a serm and know i should always have one on hand but like i said i dont have a source.
I would definitely take some other type of pct though like maybe nova xt and some natural estrogen blockers like calcium d-glucarate, indole-3-carbino, and grape seed extract with reveritrol.
Does that sound acceptable to yall or is it a bad idea?

[undershooter3]

Also I would take optimum zma and tribulus for pct. Sorry i forgot to add those

[h2bek97]

Can u get away with not having balls? I mean i know Havoc is mild but why risk it!

[undershooter3]

just dont have a way to get a serm but thats also why im asking before doing it. I like my nuts and they like hot chicks and i would like to keep it that way haha
I was just seeing if it was necessary to take one bc i knew havoc was pretty mild in comparison to most

[srobby90]

just dont have a way to get a serm but thats also why im asking before doing it. I like my nuts and they like hot chicks and i would like to keep it that way haha
I was just seeing if it was necessary to take one bc i knew havoc was pretty mild in comparison to most

Chat up the biggest guy at your gym. Imo you should never cycle without a proper PCT prepared and in your possession (i.e. not in the mail possibly to be confiscated by customs).

[n87]

If you cut it down to 4 weeks probably be ok. But what if something happens. You can get liquid SERM for your lab rats, in case they start growing tits...

[undershooter3]

I went ahead and ordered some nolva 20/20/10/10 sound right?

[n87]

I also used some taurine last time I ran Havoc, because backpumps are a b...ch. Just an FYI

[phL8Tme]

Sure you can get by. BUT, it will take longer to recover your body's norm. On a pulse with Halo, furaz I had zero sides. But still did some nolvadex for just over 2 weeks 20/20/10 for a few days. Horn dog was the word in week 2.

Best be safe than sorry. After a few cycles you will begin to understand how your bod recovers. But again, better safe than....

[Young Gotti]

nolva at 20/20/10/10 is good but i don't think havoc at 20/20/20/20 will do to much...ur gonna want to get to atleast 30 if not 40

[houseofpainhulk]

You definitely want a PCT with HAVOC. If not you will get rebound gyno, I know this from first hand experience. Took 15 days worth of havoc, 7 months later bam! gyno.

[TheDarkHalf]

You definitely want a PCT with HAVOC. If not you will get rebound gyno, I know this from first hand experience. Took 15 days worth of havoc, 7 months later bam! gyno.

That's false. Gyno is dependent on the person...not everyone gets it. I ran havoc at 30/40/40/40/50/60. Light dosed serm with t-booster should do the trick. Just dose the cycle at 40 the whole way...anything else is a waste of time IMO.

[houseofpainhulk]

That's false. Gyno is dependent on the person...not everyone gets it. I ran havoc at 30/40/40/40/50/60. Light dosed serm with t-booster should do the trick. Just dose the cycle at 40 the whole way...anything else is a waste of time IMO.

Yeah, sure not everyone gets gyno this is true, but... How does he know if he will or will not get gyno from this. I say why risk it? Just do a pct and have all your bases covered, better safe than sorry.

[TheDarkHalf]

Yeah, sure not everyone gets gyno this is true, but... How does he know if he will or will not get gyno from this. I say why risk it? Just do a pct and have all your bases covered, better safe than sorry.

Even use of a SERM may not prevent gyno.

Just be aware that gyno could pop-up period...even months after your cycle. It's annoying but can easily be taken care of with letro and nolva

[wedlund6]

if your not going to use a serm keep your cycle at 4 weeks.
havoc at 20 will do nothing you need 30 or 40.
you should always have a serm on hand even if your going to use a otc pct.