Considering first ph cycle, have a 4 week supply of mdrol, need advice

[Gonzo23]

So I'm 20 years old and am just finishing round 1 of p90x

One of my friends hooked me up with a 30 day supply of mdrol and a bottle of novadex xt.

I've been planning on starting a 4 week cycle next Monday and using novadex xt and some liver support for my pct, but have gotten cold feet after reading some forum posts on here

i REALLY want to do this cycle but am weary of permanently ****ing up my libido and hormones and not doing a proper pct...can ANY of you older guys with some experience give me some wisdom here???

 

[TheBreeze]

To be honest, Im no pro at this stuff, but I can tell you to WAIT!!! I thank God every time I think about it that I didnt know about PH's when I was your age. Cause I know exactly how appealing the appear. Plus Mdrol is a geared a bit more towards users with more experience.

In short, DONT DO IT!!! You are young. Plus your test levels will never be higher for the rest of your life than they are right now. You'd be surprised at the gains you can achieve by simply eating super clean. I know I always am.

There are getting to be too many threads on here with guys asking what to do b/c they ran superdrol or dbol when they were 18 or 19 and now they cant get it up.
Dont become another statistic. Besides, Im almost 26, and I dont even have the guts to run M-drol. That stuff's no joke!

 

[warbird01]

please dont run m drol with novedex xt

jesus christ lol

 

[TheDarkHalf]

So I'm 20 years old and am just finishing round 1 of p90x

One of my friends hooked me up with a 30 day supply of mdrol and a bottle of novadex xt.

I've been planning on starting a 4 week cycle next Monday and using novadex xt and some liver support for my pct, but have gotten cold feet after reading some forum posts on here

i REALLY want to do this cycle but am weary of permanently ****ing up my libido and hormones and not doing a proper pct...can ANY of you older guys with some experience give me some wisdom here???

Wait until you are 24 or 25 to take the leap into PH/DS. You can do a lot of natural growing in the next 4-5 years. In the mean time keep reading and researching.

A 4 week cycle of Mdrol with an improper PCT will mess you up bad.

 

[Knowbull]

IMO, a guy needs to go as far as he can without anything besides training, diet and creatine. Sometimes that can be astounding, some guys are accused of being "on" and they have never used anything besides time in the gym or being on the weights consistently. Honestly earned muscle that is retained by regular exercise stays. I think your focus should be on training, rather than how you're going to "blow up" once you start taking XYZ. JMO and I hope it helps!

 

[Gonzo23]

Thanks for all the info and help guys, I have a couple more questions if that's ok

what would happen if I ran like a 10/20/20/10 cycle of mdrol but did a proper pct?

And if mdrol is just too much for a first ph cycle, what ph would you recommend? I know you guys wouldn't recommed doing any ph's until I'm older, however if I do/did decide to cycle SOMETHiNG what would be something good to start with?

Thanks for your input

 

[slacker86]

ur under 21 no one can recomend anything its against board rules.... Seriously just wait there are a lot better things out there than PH/DS.

 

[slacker86]

if ur still in ur developmental stages (most men end it in their early 20's) SD can have a really big negative impact on you.

I am NOT supporting you however if u decide to run this u should know a few things.

1) at ur age and with the hormone ur messing with ur going to need pre and post cycle blood work so u know ur baseline values, u need a full metabolic panel to see cholesterol liver values and then a hormone panel of t3 t4 FSH LH all the testosterones and Estradiol.. You must get the pre done cause if u get all ****ed up off of ur cycle ur going to need to know what ur orginal/natural values are.

2) you need to run liver protection, taurine for potenial back pumps, a supplement for blood pressure, and ur going to need to probably get ur hands on some viagra or cialis, in my experience SD really messes up ur libido while on cycle.

3) understand what a proper pct is nolvadex XT and nolvadex are two completely different things u need to look into SERMS, as well as AI's because some people report delayed or rebound gyno from SD (gyno means bitch tits), and u either need a high strength AI to get rid of the gyno or some other protocol which i will not really get into right now.

4)if this is ur first PH keep it at 3 weeks thats all u will really want to do.

5) dont drink, this is a highly liver toxic oral and needs to be treated with respect otherwise u could cause permanent damage to the liver.

Now u asked for other advice so im going to give u a little help i think that will assist u in bulking and bodybuilding in general.
-ur probably over trained as of right now so just take a week off immediately.
- get your diet in order, clean carbs, high protein (300-500grams a day), reasonable fat intake. Calories on a bulk should be easily close to 5,000 a day.
-go look up DC, GVT and Starting Strength programs, write out ur plans and then use all 3 respectively, muscle grows way better with new stimulus presented rahter than doing the same old routine over and over.
-The name of the game is diet and training, you can inject all the testosterone or take all the mdrol you want, if ur only eating enough calories to support 200lbs of muscle you will never grow, u need food to make muscle.

 

[TheBreeze]

-The name of the game is diet and training, you can inject all the testosterone or take all the mdrol you want, if ur only eating enough calories to support 200lbs of muscle you will never grow, u need food to make muscle.

Werd

 

[SkItZoId]

So I'm 20 years old and am just finishing round 1 of p90x

One of my friends hooked me up with a 30 day supply of mdrol and a bottle of novadex xt.

I've been planning on starting a 4 week cycle next Monday and using novadex xt and some liver support for my pct, but have gotten cold feet after reading some forum posts on here

i REALLY want to do this cycle but am weary of permanently ****ing up my libido and hormones and not doing a proper pct...can ANY of you older guys with some experience give me some wisdom here???

Bottom line mate. Im 31, when i was 28(old enough for PS) i ran a course of oxodrol, a Superdrol clone. Mdrol as far as I can see is another garsh compound simular again. To cut along story short I used insufficient PCT and ended up with gyno. The monday before last I had it cut out. Ive posted pics up here in another thread, have a look mate, they're in my gallery. The scary thing is I could see and notice the Gyno, what about all the other sides I must have got that I couldnt see?? By the way using milk thistle for protection from harsh metylated comounds(even though it does help) is a bit like putting a band aid on a missing finger.

Ive even read posts from people who have run pure nolvadex(none of that novedex xt rubbish) at hight volumes and STILL got gyno from compounds such as SD and MD.

If you wait a few years, then concider running a milder PH/PS course with plety of proper serms/AI's(depending on the PS/PH your using)and plenty of cycle asist compunds and herbs, then one may benefit a whole lot more.

I can tell you now, at 31 I will NEVER run harsh compounds again(MDROL looks like a proper biaach!). And also I agree with another poster on here who says he was glad he didnt hear about prohormones when he was your age. Me too! If I had I probably would have been stupid enough to do them. Dont do it man. Peace

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Bottom line mate. Im 31, when i was 28(old enough for PS) i ran a course of oxodrol, a Superdrol clone. Mdrol as far as I can see is another garsh compound simular again. To cut along story short I used insufficient PCT and ended up with gyno. The monday before last I had it cut out. Ive posted pics up here in another thread, have a look mate, they're in my gallery. The scary thing is I could see and notice the Gyno, what about all the other sides I must have got that I couldnt see?? By the way using milk thistle for protection from harsh metylated comounds(even though it does help) is a bit like putting a band aid on a missing finger.

Ive even read posts from people who have run pure nolvadex(none of that novedex xt rubbish) at hight volumes and STILL got gyno from compounds such as SD and MD.

If you wait a few years, then concider running a milder PH/PS course with plety of proper serms/AI's(depending on the PS/PH your using)and plenty of cycle asist compunds and herbs, then one may benefit a whole lot more.

I can tell you now, at 31 I will NEVER run harsh compounds again(MDROL looks like a proper biaach!). And also I agree with another poster on here who says he was glad he didnt hear about prohormones when he was your age. Me too! If I had I probably would have been stupid enough to do them. Dont do it man. Peace

Would also like to point out that even a proper PCT could result in gyno with SD...either from hormonal imbalances (which is usually the case with SD since it doesn't aromatize) and/or whether or not your a genetically prone to gyno.

and SD and Mdrol are the same thing. Mdrol is a superdrol clone.