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    Best PH for PCT?


    After a Test C cycle at 400mg/wk, which OTC PH do you guys recommend? I plan on doing a natural cut a month after PCT if that makes any difference.

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    So your using test and want to use an OTC ph for pct, is this a joke
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    Actually, I've learned an insane about of stuff and am VERY appreciative of said information. I wasn't suggesting a PH solely for PCT, only to going along with everything else.

    Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I've been suggested by a couple of people on this board to take, at least what I thought was OTC, PHs to go along with my Nolva, Vitamin C for cort control and possibly an AI. If I'm remembering correctly those suggestions included Animal Stak, which I k ow is OTC, diesel test hardcore or something like that and I think Sunami. I also just started HCG halfway through my cycle and will end before PCT begins.

    Anyway, I was just looking for something that was easily accessible.

    As far as my weight, I'm at 172 now. That 148 was from a while back at the end of a cut. This is my first cycle, but I felt like I was doing pretty well, especially considering that way too many people don't know the first thing about PCT.

    Either way, I appreciate all the feedback, positive or negative, and will continue to research and learn.
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    Oh, and the reason I haven't updated my weight is because I can't figure out how to do it from my iPhone and I'm not about to log on to this site at my VERY corpoate place of employment. Certainly will do so asap.
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    that aint a ph dude that a test booster
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    Haha, oh **** my bad. I totally knew that. I should delete this entire thread and try again! Okay, so which test booter?

    I seriously don't know how I got those mixed up. Oooops. No wonder you guys were ready to castrate me!!!
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    lol there is LOADs of choices for test boosters. iv heard that diesel test hardcore is good but i dont know much about them cos im too young to try yet lol. Your best off asking one of the more experianced guys or doin a little search on it because there are loads of threads on test boosters
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    You had us scared for a second haha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    You had us scared for a second haha...
    Same here.... I was like

    Anyway while you are looking into Test boosters I suggest looking at Purus Recycle, the feedback on it is overwhelmingly positive and I think you would be very pleased. There are many other good ones out there though from some of the top notch companies on here.
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    Lol but sometimes you can actually run a low dose ph through pct cant you?
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    Yeah, too many I'd say. That's what makes it so tough. I was looking for specific suggestions for my particular cycle, if that even matters.

    PS, thanks for the rep up dudes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raladoc View Post
    Lol but sometimes you can actually run a low dose ph through pct cant you?
    The low dose ph has to have a really short half life and be taken in the morning... Like epi or d-bol (AAS)...
    HPTA suppression would be so minimal from that, that you would still make an excellent recovery during PCT...
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    sorry to hijack the thread radio. Thanks gamer but would you actually gain of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    The low dose ph has to have a really short half life and be taken in the morning... Like epi or d-bol (AAS)...
    HPTA suppression would be so minimal from that, that you would still make an excellent recovery during PCT...
    Going to have to 100% disagree on this. The last thing you want in PCT is any type of exogenous hormone. Especially on long cycles like Test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raladoc View Post
    sorry to hijack the thread radio. Thanks gamer but would you actually gain of that?
    I would have to research more into that, im not 100 percent sure as why people do that anyways, maybe to have a bit of extra test flowin in the morning to supplement with your test that is naturally raising... IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Going to have to 100% disagree on this. The last thing you want in PCT is any type of exogenous hormone. Especially on long cycles like Test.

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    Haha, not saying I would do it, I just know there are plenty of people that do the d-bol/epi pct protocol.. And it works for them, in theory the compound is takin in the morning at a low dose, and because of the short half life, it isnt in your body long enough or in high enough amounts to truly suppress you. Test is produced at night when you sleep and you have highest levels in the morning. To each his own though, I love devils advocate ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    The low dose ph has to have a really short half life and be taken in the morning... Like epi or d-bol (AAS)...
    HPTA suppression would be so minimal from that, that you would still make an excellent recovery during PCT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Haha, not saying I would do it, I just know there are plenty of people that do the d-bol/epi pct protocol.. And it works for them, in theory the compound is takin in the morning at a low dose, and because of the short half life, it isnt in your body long enough or in high enough amounts to truly suppress you. Test is produced at night when you sleep and you have highest levels in the morning. To each his own though, I love devils advocate ...
    link to "plenty of people"?
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    Just google it, there are too many links to post haha... If you want, I can post a bunch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Haha, not saying I would do it, I just know there are plenty of people that do the d-bol/epi pct protocol.. And it works for them, in theory the compound is takin in the morning at a low dose, and because of the short half life, it isnt in your body long enough or in high enough amounts to truly suppress you. Test is produced at night when you sleep and you have highest levels in the morning. To each his own though, I love devils advocate ...
    Except he is already suppressed from his test cycle...likely MAJORLY. An additional hormone will not let his HPTA detect the sudden drop, nor kick back in production to normalize.

    It will do nothing but delay recovery for longer.
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    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?...page=1#2939570

    Wish I could find the other links that I have read :/... Again, its a theory.. I read somewhere that while on PCT with low dose d-bol that you will recover about 90 percent of the way. When you get off PCT and dbol, you will normalize back to 100 percent... I will try to find more pertinent links...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?...page=1#2939570

    Wish I could find the other links that I have read :/... Again, its a theory.. I read somewhere that while on PCT with low dose d-bol that you will recover about 90 percent of the way. When you get off PCT and dbol, you will normalize back to 100 percent... I will try to find more pertinent links...
    this is possibly the worst advice Ive ever read, the suggestion of dbol in pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?...page=1#2939570

    Wish I could find the other links that I have read :/... Again, its a theory.. I read somewhere that while on PCT with low dose d-bol that you will recover about 90 percent of the way. When you get off PCT and dbol, you will normalize back to 100 percent... I will try to find more pertinent links...
    Wow guys you should check the link out....
    There are very smart people on there giving some very smart advice...
    There theory is based on the fact that a PH makes your test level go up...
    I am not sexist in anyway but they have a Pro-Member who is a female without a medical degree and she is actually dishing out most of the advice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Except he is already suppressed from his test cycle...likely MAJORLY. An additional hormone will not let his HPTA detect the sudden drop, nor kick back in production to normalize.

    It will do nothing but delay recovery for longer.
    making life and PCT a real pain in the a$$.......

    to the OP, if you want a nice test-booster i suggest Sustain Alpha...just my $.02
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akula View Post
    Wow guys you should check the link out....
    There are very smart people on there giving some very smart advice...
    There theory is based on the fact that a PH makes your test level go up...
    I am not sexist in anyway but they have a Pro-Member who is a female without a medical degree and she is actually dishing out most of the advice....
    1. PHs do NOT make your test levels go up, especially the fully active forms we have now (not true PHs anymore).
    2. The thread was unimpressive...and that "female" discusses the size of her balls. I think you are mistaking the avatar for a real person.

    3. Other than an allusion to the "posted levels" which he conveniently cannot find, there is nothing but anecdote in that thread.
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    My bad, got my mind jumbled.. It is a d-bol bridge theory.. You would stay on the d-bol at 10mg per day in the morning during an aggressive PCT and then if my memory suits me, start another cycle. You will still be slightly suppressed while during the PCT, but retain all of your lean mass and then you would jump into another cycle. I also never told anyone to do this, just threw it out there. Also said it was a theory...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    My bad, got my mind jumbled.. It is a d-bol bridge theory.. You would stay on the d-bol at 10mg per day in the morning during an aggressive PCT and then if my memory suits me, start another cycle. You will still be slightly suppressed while during the PCT, but retain all of your lean mass and then you would jump into another cycle. I also never told anyone to do this, just threw it out there. Also said it was a theory...


    More of a hypothesis.
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    The only thing that "may" help during PCT is low dose of Epistane started at 2 weeks after PCT begins. This has helped many people and ive done it myself with good success. All of this was last year of course before my shoulder surgery so i havent done anything for 3 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    The only thing that "may" help during PCT is low dose of Epistane started at 2 weeks after PCT begins. This has helped many people and ive done it myself with good success. All of this was last year of course before my shoulder surgery so i havent done anything for 3 months.
    This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard..... so right as you start to normalize you introduce an exogenous hormone?? Come on....


    Also the Dbol bridge theory is an old one that has fallen out of favor with anyone in the know because you do not recover like is stated. Outdated information.
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    confusing.
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    Why "test boosters" during PCT at all? The SERM is going to be far more powerful in boosting test levels than any OTC product. Now, if you feel they are effective--personally, I think they are basically minimally useful if at all--why not use it AFTER you finish PCT to give yourself whatever edge you think they confer?


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