Where did I go wrong in my PCT?

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    Where did I go wrong in my PCT?


    The 3rd week after my PCT, I started getting Nip Sensations. Now (4 weeks out) I have a small lump on the left side and both nips feel "strange." I did an EPI/ Furaguno stack. Not my first PH, not my first Cycle, Not my First AAS. I dosed as follows
    Epi 20-30/30/40/40
    FUr 0/264/300/333

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    CEL PCT Assist as directed
    Nolva-40/30/0/0
    Clomid 0/0/25/0
    Dymatize Z Force 8 caps a day

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    aakg 2g
    gaba 5g

    I switched from Nolva to Clomid in mid PCT because my Semen had NO Volume and was "Dry." It felt like it wouldnt all come out. Seriously. My balls had good volume. My energy and Sex drive do seem to drop severely if I dont take a test booster everyday. I'm trying to ween myself off of everything hormonal for a while, Including boosters. I've got Letro and Torem on the way for my rat. I've got a Dr.s appointment on Thursday for blood work. We'll see what that says. Let me know where you think I screwed the pooch please
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    I'd say that 3 weeks probably wasn't enough PCT especially with the clomid only at 25. I'd jump back on the nolva at 20mg for now to stop things from getting anyworse and when you get bloods pulled make sure you get estrodiol (E2), total test, and prolactin/progesterone (if possible). Once you get the results, you'll have a better idea what went wrong. You might want to go through "private md labs" privatemdlabs.com/lp/hormone_blood_tests.php. Having a wacked out blood test on you're medical record can lead to problems getting insured later in life.
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    Id say the fact you ran a 3 week pct. Did you have prior lumps?
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    I agree the pct was to short and maybe underdosed in week 3 I would have the doc take a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    Id say the fact you ran a 3 week pct. Did you have prior lumps?
    I had lumps from Puberty. Nothing you can notice. You have to dig for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    Id say the fact you ran a 3 week pct. Did you have prior lumps?
    My lumps never gave me any trouble in my Hdrol run, or any of the T enathate runs I did. I thought that since this was such mild compounds, I would need a heavy serm dose in PCT. I kept all supplements going through the full 4 weeks, I just dropped the serms in week 4. Should I dose nolva for 4 weeks with a taper?
    40/30/20/10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stankyleg View Post
    I just dropped the serms in week 4. Should I dose nolva for 4 weeks with a taper?
    40/30/20/10?
    If you have enough go 30/20/20/10 I don't think you need to go all the way to 40. Basically just try to run another 4 week pct. Get a test booster as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyK7 View Post
    If you have enough go 30/20/20/10 I don't think you need to go all the way to 40. Basically just try to run another 4 week pct. Get a test booster as well.
    I've got some Dymatize Z Force. (trib, nac, zma, Mucuna, ect) I'll run that too. I want to save my Diesel test PC for my Superdrol Pulse. Thanks for the help ya'll.
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    Can I run Letro along with the nolva to kill and shrink the gyno? I could run the nolva at 10mg for a coulpe of extra weeks after I'm through with the letro.
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    nolva will reduce the effectiveness of letro. if you want to double team the gyno, I suggest running some kind of prolactin control along with the letro.
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    I found this on another site and saved it.
    Hope it helps.

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    Gyno
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    I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-eís. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

    Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

    To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

    SERM Ė Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
    Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
    AI Ė Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AIís prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
    Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

    Letro and your sex drive:
    Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

    Running letro to prevent gyno:
    If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

    You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I donít know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

    If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

    EDITED ARTICLE FOR CONTROVERSIAL INFORMATTION HERE
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    It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

    How do I know if I have gyno?
    If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

    Running letro to reverse gyno:
    I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

    1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
    2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
    3. Not running any estrogen protection.

    1.
    Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
    Day 2: .50mg Letro
    Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
    Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
    Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
    Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

    2.
    Day 1: .50mg Letro
    Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
    Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
    Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
    Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

    3.
    Day 1: .50mg Letro
    Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
    Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
    Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
    Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

    *Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

    ** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

    Day 1: 2.0mg
    Day 2: 1.5mg
    Day 3: 1.0mg
    Day 4: .50mg***
    Day 5: .25mg
    ***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

    Letro and the estrogen rebound:
    With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

    This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I canít guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

    How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.
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    Thanks tailhold
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    I'm gonna use Torem instead of Nolva to get off the Letro. It seems to be less harsh and doesnt potentially heighten the sensitivity of the estrogen receptor in some folks. Thanks you guys. After I straighten this out, I'm takin a break. Then I'm doing a pulse log you might find interesting.
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