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PCT for M-drol/P-plex bridge! FaReStOn whoa!!!

gamer2be08

gamer2be08

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Im about to start the P-plex in a couple days with the M-drol during the bridge portion of my cycle. I had 2 bottles of Nolva planned for the PCT but just started researching fareston (toremifene citrate). I have read that it restarts you faster and has a less chance of sides than Nolva, however I have never had sides from Nolva anyhow. Got me a little excited to start post cycle lol, so I ordered a bottle of Fareston to test it out. If it doesnt turn out the way im hoping it does, I always have the 2 bottles of nolva and a bottle of letro on standby.

After I finish the Cycle I will be dosing the Fareston as follows:

120 first 4 days and 90 last 3 days of first week/90/60/30
Still deciding on the Natty test booster I want to use (suggestions welcome), have used blue up and hypertest before.
Lean Xtreme
Support supps
Concrete (creatine)- not on creatine while im on cycle
White Flood Pre WO
BCAA pills
Natural multi vit
PROTEIN of course
4000+ cals ED

As you can see, I am attempting to keep most of my lean mass gains and continue to gain through my PCT.

Please offer any suggestions that you have and critique me! :)

Thanks!
 
So my pct looks good then right? I would be so happy if experienced users of fareston could add some insight...

pretty please lol...
 
And yes, I have spent hours looking through multiple threads of Fareston :p.... Just like personal opinions as well...
 
So y'all wouldnt recommend fareston? Have you ever tried it? Since I already ordered it from a legit seller, I see no reason why I shouldnt try it at least. I do have Nolva as backup anyways just in case things dont work out in my favor... Nolva is my usual pct protocol...
 
gamer2be08 said:
So y'all wouldnt recommend fareston? Have you ever tried it? Since I already ordered it from a legit seller, I see no reason why I shouldnt try it at least. I do have Nolva as backup anyways just in case things dont work out in my favor... Nolva is my usual pct protocol...
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I have not used it so I really cannot comment on it. I know a lot of people use Clomid with tren type products and P-plex.
 
Ok, guess I will use it and review it, and compare it to my previous nolva usage. Unless there are objections to this...
 
Thanks brah, and will do. I'll post libido, mood, "emotions", testi size before pct, during and after, any weight loss and any increases in strength. And of course I will compare it to my previous usage of tamox...
 
gamer2be08, i am doing almopst exact same cycle as u wit pct as toremfine citrate as pct also, so def let us know how it goes, i have also researched quite a bit on toremfine and find it to be just as good as if not better.
 
Drop a few cals during PCT. I like scrip clomid and test booster. And live 52, plus some milk thistle. Have you checked out inhibit-E
 
I have liv 52 and milk thistle... Have heard of inhibet-e, but if I was gonna use an otc AI, I think I would go with topical formestane... And im really wanting to try out the torem and give an unbiased opinion; BTW I got that in the mail a couple days ago, will have to grab it tomorrow from the mail room. If I dont like it as much as Nolva, I will try clomid my next cycle... And calories are my friend, the rate at which I gain fat is almost non existent no matter how many carbs I down; no I am not over exaggerating. Always welcome advice though...
 
I am only on day 6 of the cycle, so i as of now i have seen a 2lb gain, and decent pumps nothing crazy yet but hopefully this week will be better.
 
Yes torem works as a great PCT SERM for DMT!
After 6 weeks of DMT 40mg daily stacked with 100mg fura, torem had my boys dragging within the 1st week.
Can't say the same for the SDrol/DMT bridge, but it should work.
I am wondering if I can stack it with clomid after a long cycle instead of nolva.
 
Question just to throw out? I have 2 bottles of Nolva and 1 bottle of Torem; I know it shouldn't be necessary to use both, but being that I have a lot of nolva, would it hurt to run the nolva at say 10/10/10/10 while running the torem? It sounds like overkill, but just wanted to know if there would be any negs to this; and nolva is side friendly to me just to throw out there...
 
I must say, my libido is beyond high on this m-drol/p-plex cycle xD.. I swear, its like im constantly on cialis or somethin...
 
Very limited research on torem on testosterone raising. Very few studies related to that alone. All looks at it as secondary outcome.

I think there's 3 studies directly testing t levels.

Anedotal evidence is nice. But anedotal evidence with bloodwork is better. There is not much of that floating around


Clomid tryed and tru in anedotal with bloodwork as well as studies and endocrinology
 
Understood, but people have used torem in their pct's and were able to continue gaining. Doesn't this in itself correlate to higher testosterone levels? Yes, this is still anecdotal evidence, but evidence that makes sense.
 
Yea but so can higher estro and cortisol increase weight. And when u get heavier a lot of the time u get stronger.

More bloodwork evidence needed. I'm not convinced. Idc who says what. Maybe their cycle wasn't strong enough and too many people use natty t boosters with pct to even say wats working
 
Well my friend, care to test out torem and get blood tests done? If I can, I will get a blood test done right after my PCT with the torem...
 
Remember that was done on normal men with sudden low spermcount. They weren't coming from secondary hypogonadism as we are off cycle
 
If someone wants to buy it for me I will do it in pct in april. However I wouldn't use it till more is out on it unless I use it with clomid as well
 
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Here is a bloodtest of someone that used torem for PCT after an m-drol cycle. Cant see the image, so dont know if it still exists
 
I understand you perfectly fine. And at this point im not really pro towards any serm in particular. I have tried nolva and will now try torem, and compare the two. Maybe my next pct will include clomid and then I can really find out which one works better for me...
 
Torem no doubt better due to the chloro. Whicjh possiblu makes it more potent in e2 department. So we shall see. We also don't know if adex works with it the way it doesn't work with nolva. Still to early to tell in the polypharmacy department we depend on
 
Since Nolva and torem are similar in structure a torem/clomid stack for PCT seems like it would have the boys rockin in no time. Do you guys think this stack offers enough gyno protection in PCT? I would think torem/clomid would be better than nolva/clomid especially after some 19-nor compounds.
 
Bump
Cause I'm dieing to know what people think about a torem/clomid PCT.
Would your balls explode :ponder:. lol
 
Im running torem solo, if you looked in my other thread.. You dont need clomid or anything else with torem, its doing its job perfectly fine!
 
gamer2be08 said:
Im running torem solo, if you looked in my other thread.. You dont need clomid or anything else with torem, its doing its job perfectly fine!
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I think you should be good with just the torem.
How did your cycle go?
I am coming off a 12 week test/NPP with a 4 week epi finish and am seriously thinking of using torem with clomid instead of nolva/clomid or torem only.
 
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