Quit taking 3 4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran in PCT to increase your testosterone
- 09-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Quit taking 3 4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran in PCT to increase your testosterone
If I see another thread regarding this method I am going to
So many PCT products contain this stuff. I am not going after those products. I am just saying, the compound during PCT is dumb.
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ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined - 09-30-2009, 02:09 PM
I probably put this in the wrong section. Oh well I'm a newb
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- 09-30-2009, 02:12 PM
- 09-30-2009, 02:19 PM
SHBG also binds E2. So, by lowering SHBG, you are also increasing E2. The amount of estrogen increased from a lowering of SHBG in men has a greater effect than the T released. Not that big of a deal if you are "on cycle", but a bad idea if you are in PCT. In PCT you actually want to increase your SHBG.
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ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined - 09-30-2009, 02:23 PM
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- 09-30-2009, 04:54 PM
Why take it at all then? If the rise in E correlates to less natural test production than what is gained by the increase in free test. I think I said that right.
- 09-30-2009, 05:21 PM
the rise in E2 can be counted by an AI thus still keeping the ratio still favorable for testosterone
- 09-30-2009, 05:34 PM
I think you may be a bit confused. By lowering SHBG your total testosterone levels may or may not change but your free test should increase. Free test is what were looking for.
Stinging Nettle is typically used to balance hormones, so it's an excellent herb to take along with other natural testosterone boosters. I've never heard of or experienced any estrogenic side effects with this supplement and I have taken it off and on for years. As a matter of fact, it works well to prevent these types of problems. - 09-30-2009, 05:42 PM
ineteresting thread.....
Natty got's a good point. SHBG does bind to both E2 nd T so during a PCT where i believe the fear is in E2 rebound, this could be a somewhat counter productive product if not taken with a good AI.
However this brings upa secondary question in my mind. Should the nettle root extract be taken always with an AI to increase the effictiveness of this product? - 10-01-2009, 11:38 AM
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ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined - 10-01-2009, 11:40 AM
I would, yes. Even if it was a small dose of an AI. But the catch is, do we really know how long nettle root causes the flux in SHBG? You could think it's one day and it may not be for 7 days you know?
The lowering of SHBG by androgens is ONE of the reasons people probably end up getting gyno on compounds that do not aromatize.HIGH VOLUME - Supreme Stim-Free Nitric Oxide Matrix
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ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined - 10-01-2009, 12:17 PM
dinoiii tested this on people in PCT and their bloodwork came unaffected by divanil. He was assuming the same thing but real life is different. Of course personal experiences can vary a lot.
- 10-02-2009, 01:39 PM
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ALPHAMINE - Thermogenics...Redefined - 10-02-2009, 01:41 PM
- 10-02-2009, 02:05 PM
hmm
Test booster + divanil + AI = good natty stack
Actually that seems to be what anabolic inn. did with testopro. They added a pretty well known test booster, testofen then added the divanil to unbind the bound test and indole-3-carbinol to prevent aromatization of the test to estrogen.
The quercetin i dont know what it does besides being a potent anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory and the bioprene helps increase the efficacy of all of the above....looks nice. - 10-02-2009, 02:10 PM
Testofen does not boost test directly, it binds to receptors just like test does.
In addition to Testosterone support, it also acts like Testosterone by binding to the Testosterone receptor sites and creating Testosterone like activity.
I3C is not an AI but an enzyme modulator that pushes the estrogens downstream to other estrogens.
Anyway, a strong AI will likely push SHBG down way more than divanil but not for everyone. - 10-02-2009, 02:14 PM
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