PH causing Test Shutdown (PCTs?)

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I have done some PH cycles in the past, and have seen some small results. I won't get into real gear stories here. And for the record, I'm 40, been lifting very hard for 26 years; 5'9" @ 250, and very strong. I have 4 kids and am done with having kids.

I decided to stack some PH to see the effect:

Trenabol (2/day)
Epistane (2/day)
Methyl-D (2/day)

I have gained about 10# over a month, and strength has increased noticeably. I finished the 1 month of Trenabol and added an original MASS TAB (1/day) before workouts.

It's been 1 week with the MASS TABS and my nuts are shutting down, cause I can feel the pain, like having been kicked there (ro-sham-bo?).

What PCT's should I prepare to use next month when I stop the PHs?

I've never had this happen before, to this (painful) extent, even with previous real cycles of gear (Sustonon250/EQ/TestCyp/etc).

 

[slacker86]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/119182-official-pct-2009-a.html

Clomid is your best bet for bringing them back. HCG is another option. Whats your PCT look like right now?

 

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I'm looking at getting both hcg and clomid within the week. right now I just have some OTC crap: PCT from ID labs and Gaspari Novedex XT. Never had my nuts hurt like this before, day after day now. Should I end the cycle and start the PCT? Pain meds do nothing for the nuts.

 

[slacker86]

Yeah just keep taking what you have and as soon as u get that other stuff for PCT i would highly recomend you dose it pretty high, if nothing starts to feel better within a week at the longest, i would suggest that you see a doctor immediately.

 

[slacker86]

If the cycle is what brough about the pain then yes end it. It would be better to be shut down for a week then to continue whatever is making ur nuts hurt a week longer till PCT meds come in but thats only my opinion. But i seriously think you should stop the PH's and do everything you can to try and recover.

 

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I checked my nuts out yesterday (I didn't look at them the past few days, why? stupid me!) and they were BIG, not bragging, just bigger than normal. Yesterday afternoon was a bad, lots of pain. I took an oxycodone and felt much better.

I'm still taking the PHs like normal, (after reading lots of stuff I decided to keep em up for this cycle) but the past two nights I added the OTC Gaspari NovedexXT. They feel better today, but I'm going to the doctor (urologist/specialist) in an hour to get a good feel on what's happening. I think there is something odd going on, but I'll post after I find out what the dr. says.

 

[TexasLifter89]

I checked my nuts out yesterday (I didn't look at them the past few days, why? stupid me!) and they were BIG, not bragging, just bigger than normal. Yesterday afternoon was a bad, lots of pain. I took an oxycodone and felt much better.

I'm still taking the PHs like normal, (after reading lots of stuff I decided to keep em up for this cycle) but the past two nights I added the OTC Gaspari NovedexXT. They feel better today, but I'm going to the doctor (urologist/specialist) in an hour to get a good feel on what's happening. I think there is something odd going on, but I'll post after I find out what the dr. says.

you are on steroids and are more than likely feeling extreme shutdown, that is what. Explain to the doc what you are currently on and more than likely he will tell you the same thing.

 

[IRONMAN727]

ESTRO-TEST by FightLabs worked great for my PCT

I have done some PH cycles in the past, and have seen some small results. I won't get into real gear stories here. And for the record, I'm 40, been lifting very hard for 26 years; 5'9" @ 250, and very strong. I have 4 kids and am done with having kids.

I decided to stack some PH to see the effect:

Trenabol (2/day)
Epistane (2/day)
Methyl-D (2/day)

I have gained about 10# over a month, and strength has increased noticeably. I finished the 1 month of Trenabol and added an original MASS TAB (1/day) before workouts.

It's been 1 week with the MASS TABS and my nuts are shutting down, cause I can feel the pain, like having been kicked there (ro-sham-bo?).

What PCT's should I prepare to use next month when I stop the PHs?

I've never had this happen before, to this (painful) extent, even with previous real cycles of gear (Sustonon250/EQ/TestCyp/etc).

I've had a similar problem stacking different PH's. Got shut down real bad the last time. If you're going pharmaceutical I like good old fashion HCG. For OTC I had great results from FightLabs ESTRO-TEST. Took it after my last cycle of PH's:

6-weeks
TEST400 (FightLabs) 2 capsules/day
Muscle Milk: 1 serving A.M
AllMax IsoFlex 2 servings (mid- day, evening)
Flax Seed Oil ( 2 capsules A.M)
Fish Oil (2 capsule evening)
ESTRO-TEST (FightLabs) 2 capsules/day for PCT

This last cycle was great. No off cycle issues, nice smooth transition. Kept the majority of my strength gains and have never been harder. First time that I've never had an libido or gyno issue. Not that I had real bad gyno, but most tren based PH's would make my nipples really sensitive and shut me down right away.

 

[TexasLifter89]

I've had a similar problem stacking different PH's. Got shut down real bad the last time. If you're going pharmaceutical I like good old fashion HCG. For OTC I had great results from FightLabs ESTRO-TEST. Took it after my last cycle of PH's:

6-weeks
TEST400 (FightLabs) 2 capsules/day
Muscle Milk: 1 serving A.M
AllMax IsoFlex 2 servings (mid- day, evening)
Flax Seed Oil ( 2 capsules A.M)
Fish Oil (2 capsule evening)
ESTRO-TEST (FightLabs) 2 capsules/day for PCT

This last cycle was great. No off cycle issues, nice smooth transition. Kept the majority of my strength gains and have never been harder. First time that I've never had an libido or gyno issue. Not that I had real bad gyno, but most tren based PH's would make my nipples really sensitive and shut me down right away.

fight labs just sells a bunch of overpriced clones right?

 

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TexasLifter89:
I just got back from the urologist, told him the whole story, and he said complete shutdown shouldn't induce swelling/inflammation and lots of pain. He said there may be some mild pain and shrinkage with shutdown, like people have mentioned here. But I had some good swelling going on.

After taking 4 advil last night, i felt much better, which goes along with the dr's thoughts. It appears i likely have epidytimitis, probably bacterial induced. The prostate was inflamed also, probably helping with the discomfort level. He gave me a prescription for cipro/antibiotic.

The PH is the x-factor, according to the Dr, since no-one 'really' knows what's inside the pills. It may be causing the inflammation, but it isn't shutdown due to the size of the nuts. He 'inferred' that it'd be better to go with the real thing (gear), because then you know what you're putting into your body. They (the boys) still feel better today after yesterdays advil & no oxycodone (leftover from a previous surgery).

I'll update as i take the cipro and see how it goes. I'm still planning on a good pct at the end of this cycle. I still have an unopened box of the original IDS Sostonon250 for the next go around, although I'd rather have a box of real preloaded vials.

 

[MATTHAMMER]

Fight Labs is the Real Deal!

fight labs just sells a bunch of overpriced clones right?

You definitely get what you pay for. I've taken FightLabs TEST400 and it got me big and shredded. It actually saved me money on my last cycle,
usually I have to stack 2 or 3 products to dial in the desired result. The TEST400 already has 3 hormones with an AI. Took Fight Labs ESTRO-TEST for my PCT and it had Liver Support built it. What is it a clone of ?. I haven't seen any other products that are similar...

 

[ohiostate2827]

im not shutdown anymore but im still having libido issues..my total test is 720 LH 19, FSH 5.6 free test-18.3...i have some force of green labs transform that im gonna try.. any suggestions ...thanks