Best OTC PCT...advice please
- 08-02-2009, 07:33 PM
Best OTC PCT...advice please
Okay so I am running a cycle of X-Tren by CEL 90/90/90/90 possibly 90/90/90/90/90/90 and I am trying to figure out what is the best all OTC PCT to use with this cycle. I have previously done cycles of H-Drol and only used Novedex XT and HyperTest for PCT and would have to say it worked really well. I think due to my young age I seem to bounce back pretty quick from shutdown and don't need a lot of hardcore supps. Also I just want to note that I will not use any prescription drugs and I beleive that a lot of the SERMs in use such as real Nolvadex are potentially more dangerous then the PH's themselves. Anyway this is what I have so far any input would be great.
Novedex XT by Gaspari:
Started immediatley afte cycle 3/3/2/2/1
Axis Labs HyperTest:
Immediatley after cycle 4/4/4/4/3/2
Considering also including Cutting Edge Labs PCT Assist:
Immediatley after cycle 4/4/4/4
So far this is just a rough draft and I should also include that I hear Inhibit E and Nevedex XT are pretty close to the same only reason I will be uing the Novedex XT is because I got 3 bottles as a gift.
- 08-04-2009, 02:16 AM
- 08-04-2009, 02:22 AM
I mean, i dont PCT. But if i did, and when i did, it was with a SERM.
Sure, you could run atd, 6-oxo, frickin deer antler velvet, tribulus and fennugreek and you wont recover nearly as fast with a SERM.
If you want to keep your gains (which is the whole point of doing a cycle, right?) then id advise you to use one.
08-04-2009, 04:51 AM
thanks for the advice and i definitley see where your coming from but I would also really perfer to keep my liver and keep everything legal
08-04-2009, 04:42 PM
BUMP...Im planning on the same cycle here in a month. a SERM does seem practical and required, but I may go with an OTC as well
08-04-2009, 04:59 PM
08-04-2009, 07:20 PM
08-04-2009, 07:27 PM
08-04-2009, 08:46 PM
my otc pct generally looks something like
AI taper up or pyramid (there are better options than ATD IMO)
test booster taper down, id go with bioforge or something with similar profile
cort control if needed started in 2nd week of pct
support supps like SAMe
would differ slightly if using aromatizable PH or depending if AI was used oncycle
probably add something to help with prolactin with progesterone type PH like b6 ect.
08-05-2009, 12:18 AM
08-05-2009, 02:01 AM
I have also read that otc will work fine just wont be quite as extreme as using a SERM and im only running a 4 week at reccomended dose of 90mg a day
08-05-2009, 12:53 PM
08-05-2009, 12:53 PM
08-06-2009, 01:21 PM
08-06-2009, 03:23 PM
Why not just use a SERM? Not worth the risks. Also the cost could actually be cheaper than an otc plus works faster. A no brainer imho but just my .02
08-06-2009, 05:38 PM
08-11-2009, 08:11 AM
I have used a serm before after running an h-drol and propadrol stack for just four weeks and had a hard time coming back, got all kinds of belly fat, felt like crap and before you knew it I was just a fat guy. Didn't look like I ran a cycle, didn't feel like I ran a cycle, looked more like I got locked in a twinkie factory! I wouldn't use a serm again unless I was on cycle and running something that would aromatize quickly because the estrogen isn't ALL bad so having it ramp up with the test is great when you knock out the bad stuff. Anyway, I have used Novadex and sell it also and many, many swear by it but I just ran a heavy PH cycle and followed it with Purus Labs Recycle and man this stuff is the greatest I have ever used. So far I am continuing to look like I am still on cycle, so far I am not gaining any belly fat and my muscles look like they are still getting that dry and lean look to them, I swear that my obliques are still becoming more defined even after coming off the cycle. This stuff is awesome and I highly recommend it. I worked out one week following my six week cycle of halovar and e-pol cycle. I started the Recycle in week seven and took week eight off from the gym and feel and look great. I have been asked what I am on when running this stack because the strength from the halovar is awesome and then the e-pol seems to lean you out with a nice dry look getting rid of any puffiness or water retention. I plan on running two full months of this Recycle before taking a month off and then running another cycle. The only other thing I like to do is use RPM by applied Neutracitical only on workout days in with my pct or I also like AXIS HT by BSN with my pct. I have tried tribulus and novadex, formadrol, Restore and even Toremifene and still have not found anything that has brought me back like Recycle. This new formula is awesome, I was mad when they discontinued the old formula because it was the best selling stuff I had going but now that it's back and better it will be a staple for many others as well as my self. Give it a try and let me know what you think.
08-11-2009, 09:06 AM
08-11-2009, 12:34 PM
08-11-2009, 12:52 PM
08-11-2009, 01:02 PM
is there such thing as an otc SERM?? Or are you guys referring to clomid or nolvadex for SERMs...?
what would be the appropriate COMPLETE PCT stack for coming off a havoc or epi cycle and also what would be the dosage reccomendations as well??
08-11-2009, 01:22 PM
08-11-2009, 01:23 PM
hi i am 18,and i want to start 6 weeks Dianabol sycle.So can any one tell me please how much of d-bol should i use,and what supplements i need to take while im on d-bol.also i need to know what PCT do i need.Does any one know how much weight i gonna gain on cycle and how much i gonna lose after cycle.WHAT IS THE SIDE EFFECTS AT AGE OF18.Thank you
08-11-2009, 01:31 PM
08-11-2009, 02:31 PM
08-12-2009, 12:35 PM
08-12-2009, 12:59 PM
If u can't make gains naturally it is MOST LIKELY because u r doing something or multiple things wrong. Start ur own thread post ur diet and workout routine. Roids are not a cure all to "hardgainers." Damn I hate that word.
Oh and look at the supplement section. Pick up some creatine and other goodies. Plenty of knowledge to be gained before doing a cycle.
08-12-2009, 05:26 PM
08-12-2009, 05:34 PM
08-14-2009, 05:01 PM
08-14-2009, 05:02 PM
08-14-2009, 05:06 PM
With only 1 year of training under ur belt u shouldn't be thinking about doing steroids to begin with. That is just asking for trouble especially when u r 18.
Idk what to tell u. U sound pretty thick headed(not a good thing).
It will throw ur natural hormones out of whack. Most likely u won't produce as much natural test afterwards ESPECIALLY if u didn't have a proper PCT. Which I am going to bet u didn't.
Not to mention the standard side effects for everybody(basically punching the crap out of ur organs).
08-14-2009, 06:47 PM
08-16-2009, 12:55 PM
I take it standalone for 3 months at a time. By far my favorite supp in the industry.
For most cycles a SERM would be best, however im glad you liked the ReCycle better than the one you used.
08-16-2009, 01:38 PM
i love how we have a double topic thread going on here, over the counter PCT ideas for people who know what there talking about, and a crazy 18 year old kid who would prob give his left nut for some juice but doesnt know the first thing about natural bodybuilding. haha niooocee
I'm back from a longggg nap!
08-17-2009, 10:54 AM
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