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    How long before the balls come back????


    I am done one week of pct and the protocol is

    40/30/20/10 Nolva
    50mg clomid week one
    AX rebound xt 25/50/75/100
    tribulus
    bunch of support supps

    When will my balls return to normal size? They are still kinda small.

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    Everyone is different. Mine came back roughly in, 2, 2 1/2 weeks.
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    if u use hcg it should help quickly to return ur test to normal as well as ur balls
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    Maybe never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Maybe never.
    you're right bro. a buddy of mine did a tren cycle, i think tren-x and his never came back. that was years ago. he run a SERM during pct and everything.....weird huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    I am done one week of pct and the protocol is

    40/30/20/10 Nolva
    50mg clomid week one
    AX rebound xt 25/50/75/100
    tribulus
    bunch of support supps

    When will my balls return to normal size? They are still kinda small.
    what was your cycle?
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    cycle


    Old school 4AD/1T transdermal preban stuff. Good for 10lbs in 6 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    what was your cycle?
    CELC....where the hell you been hiding?
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    Hmm, shutdown pretty hard.

    IMO, I wouldn't be nervous whatsoever at this point because I'd have known what I was getting into before the cycle. If things aren't STARTING to bounce back by day 21 of pct, THEN I'd be pretty nervous.

    One last thing, I'd keep the reboundXT at 25 and wouldn't increase the dosage if I were in your shoes.
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    They have come back a little in the past couple days. I'm on day 10 of PCT. Why stay at 25mg of rebound?
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    A buddy of mine got off a cycle of Tren back in March.... Balls are just starting to come back. Did a proper PCT
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    Were they shipped by Fed-Ex or USPS?

    Man, there's so many of these threads hanging around.
    Quote Originally Posted by asoulecpt View Post
    Everyone is different. Mine came back roughly in, 2, 2 1/2 weeks.
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    What up brotha I suppose I've been under cover???

    Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    They have come back a little in the past couple days. I'm on day 10 of PCT. Why stay at 25mg of rebound?
    If you have any libido at all right now, you won't once you get up to 3 caps. I do think your AI is appropriate, but I wouldn't get that high of a dosage of ATD if I wasn't having some sort of an estrogen problem. (Maybe you are having a problem with estrogen but haven't mentioned it in this thread? I dunno )
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    B5 your optimism on the young mans' balls is very inspiring, A 3-3 weeks usually but if harsher compounds are utilized then it could be longer. HCG is your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Were they shipped by Fed-Ex or USPS?

    Man, there's so many of these threads hanging around.
    maybe they need a sticky small balls thread
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    ballls


    No real problem with libido I guess. Just not crazy like on cycle. I'll keep it at 25mg. I'll keep you guys updated. HCG is injection only right?
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    I just have magical big balls and its hard to keep them shut down. They were shipped first class by T.E.S.T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis View Post
    B5 your optimism on the young mans' balls is very inspiring, A 3-3 weeks usually but if harsher compounds are utilized then it could be longer. HCG is your friend.
    I was thinking that as well and you make a really good point.

    At the same time, don't you think, IN GENERAL, that most people who are running oral and/or TD cycle, aren't looking to pin?

    SRX,
    if you're looking for an easy access alternative, for me personally, testofen tends to bring the boys up to par really fast. There is prolactin controversy with it though, so maybe come to your own conclusions with some searches before you decide to throw it in.
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    I run 500 mg of HCG (250 twice a week) and have never had an issue. Still use pct but never had atrophy.
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    clomid


    My libido had dropped since I went off the clomid. Is this to be expected?
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    Well, that could be an arguement for why a lot of people don't like serm combos and serm swapping. I personally prefer to choose 1 or none based on what the cycle was.

    Are you having any gyno symptoms? if not, forget the nolva and continue with your clomid taper. if you are having gyno symptoms, then libido will have to wait and carry on with your nolva.
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    B5 your optimism on the young mans' balls is very inspiring,
    If you love something, let it go, if it comes back, it was meant to be.

    Forgive my optimism. These threads are rather silly and old after years of reading them. If users would actually know what they were getting themselves into prior to using they would know the variable and the degree and frequency that which this happens.

    In an unsuppressed HPTA testicular size can vary throughout the day as well as temperature, under garments, ejaculation frequency, and probably a plethora of other reasons. Most don't notice or care to pay attention and are likely ignorant to it.

    Then you get a guy who suppresses his HPTA with steroids and all of a sudden he spends his waking hours obsessing over the size of his testicles. He fondels them hourly doing thorough examination without a clue of a baseline for comparison.

    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.

    Edit: not to mention I am on a sardonic tyrannical binge lately, so TIFWIW
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    Oh good lord!
    Thank you for the much needed laugh, B!

    "Set them free and expose them to sunlight..."
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    If you love something, let it go, if it comes back, it was meant to be.

    Forgive my optimism. These threads are rather silly and old after years of reading them. If users would actually know what they were getting themselves into prior to using they would know the variable and the degree and frequency that which this happens.

    In an unsuppressed HPTA testicular size can vary throughout the day as well as temperature, under garments, ejaculation frequency, and probably a plethora of other reasons. Most don't notice or care to pay attention and are likely ignorant to it.

    Then you get a guy who suppresses his HPTA with steroids and all of a sudden he spends his waking hours obsessing over the size of his testicles. He fondels them hourly doing thorough examination without a clue of a baseline for comparison.

    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.
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    Just inject your sac with Synthol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.
    Post of the Day ...maybe even month
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.

    Edit: not to mention I am on a sardonic tyrannical binge lately, so TIFWIW
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    If you love something, let it go, if it comes back, it was meant to be.

    Forgive my optimism. These threads are rather silly and old after years of reading them. If users would actually know what they were getting themselves into prior to using they would know the variable and the degree and frequency that which this happens.

    In an unsuppressed HPTA testicular size can vary throughout the day as well as temperature, under garments, ejaculation frequency, and probably a plethora of other reasons. Most don't notice or care to pay attention and are likely ignorant to it.

    Then you get a guy who suppresses his HPTA with steroids and all of a sudden he spends his waking hours obsessing over the size of his testicles. He fondels them hourly doing thorough examination without a clue of a baseline for comparison.

    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.

    Edit: not to mention I am on a sardonic tyrannical binge lately, so TIFWIW

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    If this helps this is a great formula.

    Mucuna puriens 500mg
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    Take this 2 times a day and add in some zma before bed, this is what ive used and if anything your balls get bigger each time, i run it like this for 30 days only use an AI if your starting to notice estrogen realted sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    If you love something, let it go, if it comes back, it was meant to be.

    My suggestion is cradle the testicles 30 mins on 30 mins off thruought the day. During the 30 mins off period set them free and expose them to sunlight, natural or artificial.
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    Just inject your sac with Synthol.
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    Try dermacrine directly on area that is shrunk.Works wonders.
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    PCT


    I had done a lot of research and there are many contradictory posts on PCT.

    Most say to use nolva 40/40/20/20 and use and AI tapered in the opposite direction. With all the support supps included.

    Thus I figured I'd do a similar regimen, but 40/30/20/10 and throw in some clomid (50mg) to make sure the balls came back fully.

    I'm on day 13 and they are definitely improved, but not 100%. Loads are still way smaller than pre and during the cycle.

    Summary:

    Nolva 40/30/20/10
    Rebound xt 25/25/25/25 (changed)
    Clomid 50/50/25/25 (changed)
    Tribulus 1/2/3/4g
    Retain 2 (2 caps a day)
    Liver, vascular, prostate, etc support

    I also have dhea that I have no used yet.

    Do i really need anything else? Based on my research I have everything I should need. Is it too early to be worried and should I just wait it out?
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    Looks strong.I know i just like dermacrine.It seems more effective than oral dhea.Good luck.Dont work-out too hard and eat alot.Drop workouts to 3 times a week for about 2 weeks.
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    workouts


    I've actually been doing the same workout as on cycle. I am doing this because I was afraid to lose strength. I can complete the workouts and strength is about the same, but those last couple reps are murder.

    I did a 4 day split before the cycle. Should I go back to that. The calories are about the same as on cycle. I recently cut back a bit because I seem to gaining some water and/or fat.

    Should I get some dermacrine? How would I add it to my regimen? Should I just add 50mg dhea daily?
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    It's possible that you have too much estrogen control. Again, if you aren't having gyno symptoms, why run a serm that selectively binds primarily to the breast tissue.

    On that note, I don't get the typical effects with toremefine that most report. It's supposedly a close cousin to Nolva regarding receptor specificity, in which case it may be holding your recovery back in terms of testicular mass and load size.

    If I were in your shoes, I'd taper the Nolva quickly, and stick with the Clomid as you have it laid out. Clomid's receptor specificity is stronger in the brain, which is why it has greater HPTA effects (and the frequent mood side effects).

    I'd also drop the ATD and add in a low dose of formestane... just my opinion.

    The DHEA has no effect for me in any scenario. And the dosage that you have listed is super duper low too.

    I wouldn't use Dermacrine in pct. I could see how people like it ON cycle though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    Do i really need anything else? Based on my research I have everything I should need. Is it too early to be worried and should I just wait it out?
    Just follow through with your planned PCT, minus the ATD. Yes, you're worrying too much. Just forget about ball size and concentrate on how you feel, and most importantly, what post-PCT bloodwork tells you. In a month or so, you'll be scrubbing away in the shower and it will be like, "Oh, hai guize!!!"
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    Stop the Rebound XT and Retain. Estrogen probally way to low.
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    Thats why i said to use the dermacrine to balance endocrine levels.
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    So I'm dropping the rebound, tapering off the nolva over a few days. Same dose of clomid or bring it up now?

    The retain 2 is cortisol control so can i just keep it?
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