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    IBE Formex vs iForce Reversitol for epi ptc


    which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks

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    Reversitol is a neat product, as it contains numerous things. I have tried it in the past and enjoyed it much more than Novedex XT. Furthermore, I've also tried 6-bromo (Hyperdrol X2) and enjoyed that more than the Reversitol. From my experience, I've concluded that ATD is not my favorite compound... Despite it being extremely effective as an AI, it is an anti androgen and makes me feel like sh*t. Novedex XT is pure ATD, whereas Reversitol is only some ATD, and the Hyperdrol X2 contains no ATD. I'd say: Stay away from ATD, pick up some 6-bromo or try the new Formex (which sounds very promising).
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    As for your Epi cycle... Epi has anti-estrogenic properties. It's controversial to use an AI with it... It may be overkill. Research your gear before deciding on your other supplements.
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    i have and from reading alot of logs and threads its either light novla which i want to avoid or takeing Reversitol. formex i havent read that much on i was just wondering how effective it is compared to other products.

    delita what would you rec for a ptc for epi then since it has anti-e proprieties?
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    I used herbal test boosters when I pulsed Havoc (Epithio compound). I stacked Stoked and Life Support (both by Anabolic Innovations). I used it all at the same time as my Havoc and continued to use the herbal boosters after my Havoc was gone.

    Please note that my Havoc cycle was actually a pulse. I dosed 2-3 caps 2 hours prior to hitting the weights @ 3 times a week. This means I worked out at least a couple more days without Havoc every week. Use the herbal test boosters every day, even when you don't work out.
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    AI's ALONE has no place in PCT.

    IMO,

    But 6-bromo is known to decrease estrogen and alot of blood work were there to prove it, so reveristol ingredients in proven to work. When formex.... well, i still need to see blood work post cycle to know that this stuff works regardless of the reps/company say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    AI's ALONE has no place in PCT.
    Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks
    Formex. It is a bioavailable form of Formestane. You do not want to be taking ATD in your PCT, which is in a lot of PCT products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?
    I am assuming he means you don't want to solely rely on an AI, hence the "alone"
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    does reveristol have an ATD in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    does reveristol have an ATD in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?

    Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    I am assuming he means you don't want to solely rely on an AI, hence the "alone"

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    does reveristol have an ATD in it?
    i personally love ATD. I doubt 5mg in reversitol will have any anti androgen activity.
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    what substance in rev is ATD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    what substance in rev is ATD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    i personally love ATD. I doubt 5mg in reversitol will have any anti androgen activity.
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    Where on the label does it state the individual amounts for the ingredients? I don't see a 5mg listing anywhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg *
    6-Bromoandrostenedione
    6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione
    Indole-3-Carbinol (L3C)

    Where on the label does it state the individual amounts for the ingredients? I don't see a 5mg listing anywhere...
    According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.
    Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
    This is why everyone is so excited about the new Formex...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
    What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.

    It will never aggravate gyno. How does androgenic activities decreases chances of gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.

    It will never aggravate gyno. How does androgenic activities decreases chances of gyno?
    Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.

    Anti-androgens do the opposite... You want me to ask God why he made us the way he did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.

    Anti-androgens do the opposite... You want me to ask God why he made us the way he did?
    I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,
    great copy and paste. Now i know that you don't know what you talking about, just like i thought.

    ATD has anti androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, that's why it is a great AI, it reduces estrogen and at the same time tricks the Hypo that there's not enough test.

    ATD is an AR antagonist, so it does compete with test on the AR, but in HIGH DOSES and long period of times, using it for 2-3 weeks to kickstart the HPTA again will not lead to any negative effects, done that, been there with great success.. I'd advice you to research other than following what others say, but you'd prolly give me more attitude.

    No need to use attitude in a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,
    great copy and paste. Now i know that you don't know what you talking about, just like i thought.

    ATD has anti androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, that's why it is a great AI, it reduces estrogen and at the same time tricks the Hypo that there's not enough test.

    ATD is an AR antagonist, so it does compete with test on the AR, but in HIGH DOSES and long period of times, using it for 2-3 weeks to kickstart the HPTA again will not lead to any negative effects, done that, been there with great success.. I'd advice you to research other than following what others say, but you'd prolly give me more attitude.

    No need to use attitude in a discussion.
    Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.
    Untill you prove me wrong, you shouldn't go around saying ATD is bad or aggravate gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    Untill you prove me wrong, you shouldn't go around saying ATD is bad or aggravate gyno.
    What I've proven is that there are better AIs than ATD...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    What I've proven is that there are better AIs than ATD...
    You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.

    All you did here is:

    1.Posting stuff without any reasoning behind it.

    2.attiude.

    3.Posting stuff that yourself is wondering what they mean.

    finally, lol @ anti androgen

    I'm done arguing with you, i feel like my IQ just dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.

    All you did here is:

    1.Posting stuff without any reasoning behind it.

    2.attiude.

    3.Posting stuff that yourself is wondering what they mean.

    finally, lol @ anti androgen

    I'm done arguing with you, i feel like my IQ just dropped.
    Now you just need your balls to drop...
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    lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
    Good question. I want to know too.
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    yes sir anyone?
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    All AIs work the same way: Aromatase inhibitors work by inhibiting the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens into estrogens by a process called aromatization.

    It should be noted that each type of AI can have special properties, negative and/or positive. Which is why some AIs are better than the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
    Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.


    If IBE corrected formestane bioavaibility, this porduct is the best ever made on the market IMO.

    I'd do this:
    PCS recommened dosage
    Formex 50/50/25/25
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    Update: Logs for Formex do not indicate a strong libido increase, which is what Formestane is known for. The TD application has been known to give a very strong libido increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Update: Logs for Formex do not indicate a strong libido increase, which is what Formestane is known for. The TD application has been known to give a very strong libido increase.
    I was going to use Formex for my h-drol cycle and I really don't care about libido. For a few weeks I can live with whatever libido I get. What I care about is test production, atrophy and most importantly gyno prevention.

    How is Formex doing in those areas for the people who are logging?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.


    If IBE corrected formestane bioavaibility, this porduct is the best ever made on the market IMO.

    I'd do this:
    PCS recommened dosage
    Formex 50/50/25/25
    Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?

    When using a SERM don't most people recommend ramping the SERM down and ramping the AI up?
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    anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?

    When using a SERM don't most people recommend ramping the SERM down and ramping the AI up?
    There's no right answer for PCT, everyone does it differently, and everyone thinks their protocol is right, you can't blame them.

    H-drol is mild, and formex works wonders, again if they corrected it's bioavability.

    I just answered his question about formex and the dosing, but i would use a SERM and an AI at a low dose with ANY DS.
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    what is the TD application?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    what is the TD application?
    Buying bulk Formestane and making your own Trans-Dermal lotion with Penetrate.
  

  
 

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