IBE Formex vs iForce Reversitol for epi ptc

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which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks
 
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Reversitol is a neat product, as it contains numerous things. I have tried it in the past and enjoyed it much more than Novedex XT. Furthermore, I've also tried 6-bromo (Hyperdrol X2) and enjoyed that more than the Reversitol. From my experience, I've concluded that ATD is not my favorite compound... Despite it being extremely effective as an AI, it is an anti androgen and makes me feel like sh*t. Novedex XT is pure ATD, whereas Reversitol is only some ATD, and the Hyperdrol X2 contains no ATD. I'd say: Stay away from ATD, pick up some 6-bromo or try the new Formex (which sounds very promising).
 
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As for your Epi cycle... Epi has anti-estrogenic properties. It's controversial to use an AI with it... It may be overkill. Research your gear before deciding on your other supplements.
 
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i have and from reading alot of logs and threads its either light novla which i want to avoid or takeing Reversitol. formex i havent read that much on i was just wondering how effective it is compared to other products.

delita what would you rec for a ptc for epi then since it has anti-e proprieties?
 
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I used herbal test boosters when I pulsed Havoc (Epithio compound). I stacked Stoked and Life Support (both by Anabolic Innovations). I used it all at the same time as my Havoc and continued to use the herbal boosters after my Havoc was gone.

Please note that my Havoc cycle was actually a pulse. I dosed 2-3 caps 2 hours prior to hitting the weights @ 3 times a week. This means I worked out at least a couple more days without Havoc every week. Use the herbal test boosters every day, even when you don't work out.
 
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AI's ALONE has no place in PCT.

IMO,

But 6-bromo is known to decrease estrogen and alot of blood work were there to prove it, so reveristol ingredients in proven to work. When formex.... well, i still need to see blood work post cycle to know that this stuff works regardless of the reps/company say.
 
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which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks
Formex. It is a bioavailable form of Formestane. You do not want to be taking ATD in your PCT, which is in a lot of PCT products.
 
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i personally love ATD. I doubt 5mg in reversitol will have any anti androgen activity.
Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg *
6-Bromoandrostenedione
6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione
Indole-3-Carbinol (L3C)

Where on the label does it state the individual amounts for the ingredients? I don't see a 5mg listing anywhere...
 
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Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg *
6-Bromoandrostenedione
6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione
Indole-3-Carbinol (L3C)

Where on the label does it state the individual amounts for the ingredients? I don't see a 5mg listing anywhere...
According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.
 
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According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.
Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
 
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Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
This is why everyone is so excited about the new Formex...
 
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Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.

It will never aggravate gyno. How does androgenic activities decreases chances of gyno?
 
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What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.

It will never aggravate gyno. How does androgenic activities decreases chances of gyno?
Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.

Anti-androgens do the opposite... You want me to ask God why he made us the way he did?
 
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Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.

Anti-androgens do the opposite... You want me to ask God why he made us the way he did?
I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,
great copy and paste. Now i know that you don't know what you talking about, just like i thought.

ATD has anti androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, that's why it is a great AI, it reduces estrogen and at the same time tricks the Hypo that there's not enough test.

ATD is an AR antagonist, so it does compete with test on the AR, but in HIGH DOSES and long period of times, using it for 2-3 weeks to kickstart the HPTA again will not lead to any negative effects, done that, been there with great success.. I'd advice you to research other than following what others say, but you'd prolly give me more attitude. ;)

No need to use attitude in a discussion. :28:
 
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I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,
great copy and paste. Now i know that you don't know what you talking about, just like i thought.

ATD has anti androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, that's why it is a great AI, it reduces estrogen and at the same time tricks the Hypo that there's not enough test.

ATD is an AR antagonist, so it does compete with test on the AR, but in HIGH DOSES and long period of times, using it for 2-3 weeks to kickstart the HPTA again will not lead to any negative effects, done that, been there with great success.. I'd advice you to research other than following what others say, but you'd prolly give me more attitude. ;)

No need to use attitude in a discussion. :28:
Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.
 
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Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.
Untill you prove me wrong, you shouldn't go around saying ATD is bad or aggravate gyno.
 
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What I've proven is that there are better AIs than ATD...
You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.

All you did here is:

1.Posting stuff without any reasoning behind it.

2.attiude.

3.Posting stuff that yourself is wondering what they mean.

finally, lol @ anti androgen

I'm done arguing with you, i feel like my IQ just dropped. :wave2:
 
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You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.

All you did here is:

1.Posting stuff without any reasoning behind it.

2.attiude.

3.Posting stuff that yourself is wondering what they mean.

finally, lol @ anti androgen

I'm done arguing with you, i feel like my IQ just dropped. :wave2:
Now you just need your balls to drop... :footinmouth:
 
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lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
 
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All AIs work the same way: Aromatase inhibitors work by inhibiting the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens into estrogens by a process called aromatization.

It should be noted that each type of AI can have special properties, negative and/or positive. Which is why some AIs are better than the others.
 
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lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.


If IBE corrected formestane bioavaibility, this porduct is the best ever made on the market IMO.

I'd do this:
PCS recommened dosage
Formex 50/50/25/25
 
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Update: Logs for Formex do not indicate a strong libido increase, which is what Formestane is known for. The TD application has been known to give a very strong libido increase.
 
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Update: Logs for Formex do not indicate a strong libido increase, which is what Formestane is known for. The TD application has been known to give a very strong libido increase.
I was going to use Formex for my h-drol cycle and I really don't care about libido. For a few weeks I can live with whatever libido I get. What I care about is test production, atrophy and most importantly gyno prevention.

How is Formex doing in those areas for the people who are logging?

Thanks!
 
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Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.


If IBE corrected formestane bioavaibility, this porduct is the best ever made on the market IMO.

I'd do this:
PCS recommened dosage
Formex 50/50/25/25
Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?

When using a SERM don't most people recommend ramping the SERM down and ramping the AI up?
 
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Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?

When using a SERM don't most people recommend ramping the SERM down and ramping the AI up?
There's no right answer for PCT, everyone does it differently, and everyone thinks their protocol is right, you can't blame them.

H-drol is mild, and formex works wonders, again if they corrected it's bioavability.

I just answered his question about formex and the dosing, but i would use a SERM and an AI at a low dose with ANY DS.
 

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would using nolva and reversitol together be too much?
nolva 20/10/10/
reversitol 3/2/2/1
 

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oh and this will be after a havoc cycle. 20/30/30/40
 
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would using nolva and reversitol together be too much?
nolva 20/10/10/
reversitol 3/2/2/1
Nolva and Reversitol are fine together.

Would someone please comment on the dosages though? I'm interested in this as well. Also, I've read in a number of places that you should ramp the SERM down while ramping the AI up during PCT. Is this good or bad advice?
oh and this will be after a havoc cycle. 20/30/30/40
Reversitol is an AI which by most accounts is counterproductive with Havoc. This is not based on my experience, it's based on what I read while researching Havoc/Epi.
 
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so for havoc what is productive if not an ai and not a medical serm
 
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so for havoc what is productive if not an ai and not a medical serm
You can do OTC PCT + SERM or you can do OTC PCT without SERM. But conventional wisdom is no AI for Havoc/Epi.
 
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so iforce revertisol and dth with cycle support would be a solid ptc?
 
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also if i was to use sustain alpha what would that replace? both rever and dth or just one of those
 

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You can do OTC PCT + SERM or you can do OTC PCT without SERM. But conventional wisdom is no AI for Havoc/Epi.
Why no AI w/ Epi/Havoc? Maybe a low dose, or a dose that is tapered up after the first week then maybe after the 3rd week tapered back down? I've heard that is a fair chance of estro rebound w/ Epi/havoc. Is this correct or was I misinformed?
 
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Why no AI w/ Epi/Havoc? Maybe a low dose, or a dose that is tapered up after the first week then maybe after the 3rd week tapered back down? I've heard that is a fair chance of estro rebound w/ Epi/havoc. Is this correct or was I misinformed?
An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. Epi doesn't aromatize so there's no need for it.

Some people use an AI in PCT instead of using a serm even for things that don't aromatize but in my opinion you should always use a serm.

There is this really weird philosophy which is prevalent on this website (I believe due to very active reps who post here) that for some reason OTC PCT is somehow better or more desirable than using a serm. This philosophy does not exist on other websites with less rep activity.

I've yet to hear a rational reason why it's better to go OTC "with a serm on hand just in case" instead of just using the serm to begin with. The only LOGICAL reasons for not using a serm are if you can't get one or you are uncomfortable with research chems. If you live in the U.S. neither of these things should apply.

And if you don't mind spending a little more for your serm you really should use torem rather than nolva or clomid.

Yes, there is definitely a risk of gyno from epi but an AI can actually increase the risk of gyno if you aren't careful. Plus AI's can cause hair loss, increse cholesterol, etc. Some people experience side effects with serms too, but as far as side effects go torem is very mild.
 

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