i ran trenadrol and havoc, felt like god but my bp was through roof. i ran havoc at 30mg and trenadrol at 2 pills per day for 30 days. weight gain of 10, fat loss of at least 3 to 4 pounds. make sure you have some hawthorn on hand and a lot of it. maybe front load some cissus unless you want your joints to sound like the tin man. i ran nolva, testabolan, and lean extreme for pct and had no worries. but there is doubt about the shutdown, it going to happen. as far as the progestin thing i used b6 and p-5-p to combat this. some believe in it, others think its a joke. take it for what its worth. but if you worried about it, caber would be the best choice to have on hand. hope this helps
