The Perfect PCT
- 03-09-2009, 12:36 PM
The Perfect PCT
Here is what I have created for the idea of two of the best possible PCT's. Doing this will help everyone will keep the most from their gains possible, and have the smoothest transition back into the "natural state", and prevent crashing, as well as quickly repair your lipid panel.
The more you put into PCT the more you retain. Cut it short and you'll regret it.
NOTE: Take Formex with your fattiest meal, or with fish oil.
All of these items can be purchased at Nutraplanet except SERMs (obviously).
1) With a SERM:
Needed: 1 bottle IBE Formex, 1 month supply of a SERM, 1 bottle AI PCS/CS
(Clomid or Toremifene may be used in place of Tamoxifene)
Tamoxifene = nolva
Week 1: Tamoxifene 40mg, IBE Formex 50mg, [Cycle Support]*
Week 2: Tamoxifene 40mg, IBE Formex 50mg, [Cycle Support]
Week 3: Tamoxifene 20mg, IBE Formex 25mg, [Cycle Support]
Week 4: Tamoxifene 20mg, IBE Formex 25mg, [Cycle Support]
Use CS to help get your lipid panel back in check, or PCS. I like CS in this PCT.
2) Without a SERM
Needed: 1 bottles IBE Formex, 1 bottle AI Cycle Support/PCS
Not everyone can get SERMs. This method is not as good as above, but is still much better than nothing.
Week 1: IBE Formex 50mg, AI Cycle Support (or PCS)
Week 2: IBE Formex 50mg, AI Cycle Support (or PCS)
Week 3: IBE Formex 25mg, AI Cycle Support (or PCS)
Week 4: IBE Formex 25mg, AI Cycle Support (or PCS)
- 03-09-2009, 02:58 PM
I like it. Simple and effective.
Edit: for lipid control, cycle support will work better than PCS both both are needed IMO.
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03-09-2009, 07:29 PM
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03-09-2009, 08:21 PM
A serm is used in most all steroid cycles. IMO, PCS is a great product to add to restore test production. Cycle support is used during cycle and after cycles that involve a serm to control chlosterol and lipids. The only other thing I might would consider is something for cort control.
03-10-2009, 11:26 AM
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03-10-2009, 10:52 PM
03-13-2009, 07:50 PM
I am running d-bol 30mg a day for 5 weeks. I have nolva that i will take 20mg a day, what else should i be taking along with the nolva for pct?
03-13-2009, 08:20 PM
03-14-2009, 01:00 AM
03-14-2009, 09:49 AM
03-14-2009, 10:01 AM
03-14-2009, 03:01 PM
from what I have been reading is this can shut u down after 3-4 weeks.. not sure if this is correct but read this on another board.. how can you run it for pct if its going to be opposite of pct's goal??
03-14-2009, 08:15 PM
PS- I really would love to log this natty! hint hint lol. Although I did just preorder some .
03-14-2009, 08:34 PM
03-14-2009, 08:36 PM
03-20-2009, 01:23 PM
I am definitely going to try this after my first cycle of Epi that's starting in about a month.
03-20-2009, 03:18 PM
03-21-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm thinking about throwing this in for my Test. E PCT. Does anyone think that Formex and Toremifine will be sufficient? I really want to stay away from Clomid if I can...
Oh, and I'm using PCT tabs by IDS also. I love Testofen.
This may have been discussed before, but I didn't see it...thanks guys.
03-21-2009, 12:22 PM
03-21-2009, 12:47 PM
03-24-2009, 12:57 PM
Yup, I am going to try the Formex! It's like a great product. Any idea when it will be released? I know we can pre-order, but I was wondering when it will actually be released and mailed?
03-24-2009, 09:22 PM
03-24-2009, 10:27 PM
Not sure if mine is good...I put a post but no one answered my post. I just got off trimethylx ph and I was gonna use toremifene with sustain alpha as my pct. How is that? Also I do have novedex xt laying around unopened...should I use that test booster with the torem and sustain alpha or save it for after pct cycle?
03-27-2009, 04:15 AM
I've got a question: Do you really want to start a AI right at the beginning of your PCT? I thought it best to hold off for a week or two?
The Truth is, there is no Truth.
03-28-2009, 04:24 PM
03-28-2009, 07:05 PM
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03-29-2009, 10:28 PM
I thought you are supposed to taper up the AI, run it inverse to the SERM. Wouldn't it make more sense to start at 25mg and taper it up as you continue PCT to 50mg to deal with the excess estrogen rebound in weeks 3-4?
03-30-2009, 01:59 AM
Formex sounds like a brilliant product! It says in the writeup that it loves storing itself in fat and has a time release effect.
That's why its good to start the dosage high and taper off because it will last for quite a while.
It also says that you can use it during cycle to prevent high estrogen, preserve test, and prevent gyno. So theoretically, if you use it during cycle, to prevent gyno, you don't really need a SERM cos the estrogen levels are pretty low. At the end of the cycle, should still keep taking the Formex because the test levels are still high (but lowering) and the estrogen will want to increase to match it. A natural test booster like DTH should still be used from start of PCT to get natural test production back. Just using a SERM with an AI like formex, is just lowering estrogen and blocking the estrogen receptors ... not helping your body produce test at all.
Now, what worries me about Formex during cycle and post cycle is that estrogen is needed by the body. Particularly the brain. That's why SERMs are good because they let you keep lots estrogen AND test and keep a good balance without turning into a woman.
I was thinking about taking my first cycle of S-Roid (superdrol clone). 10/20/30 with Formex + Nettle and then Formex + Diesel Test Hardcore 3 weeks. No SERM.
03-30-2009, 02:13 AM
Oh, I just read this "You would not need to run Divanex, as Formex will lower SHBG (this is a good thing)"
Sounds good, but how does Formex compare to Divanex in lowering SHBG?
03-30-2009, 03:30 PM
Studies show that with formex (oral formestane, that is bio-available via MCPE) lower SHBG by 15%. Other studies have noted that it lowers SHBG but didn't give a percentage. 15% is a lot considering the effect it will have on your free test.
03-31-2009, 12:24 AM
that Nettle actually just binds to the SHBG to stop free test from binding to it. Formex would probably decrease the amount of SHBG because it decreases the amount of estrogen in the body (guessing).
I thought there were no studies on formex ... just the oral formestane non-MCPE version.Studies show that with formex (oral formestane, that is bio-available via MCPE) lower SHBG by 15%. .
03-31-2009, 12:29 AM
What do you think of my first S-Roid (superdrol clone) cyle? 10/20/30 s-roid + 50/50/25 Formex + Nettle. PCT 25/25/25 Formex + 3/3/3 caps Diesel Test Hardcore. No SERM.
I was thinking the Nettle will help stop the test binding to SHBG and the Formex will reduce the SHBG. So lots of free test!
I'm 190lbs 5'10", 27yo.
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