19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione 30 mg PCT
01-21-2009 09:22 AM
19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione 30 mg PCT
Ok, I have just started taking T-Roid from Hardcore Formulations. I am taking 2 caps per day.
I am also taking 1x Milk Thistle, 1x Multi vit, 1x Cod liver oil.
I plan on doing a 4 week PCT of clomid with a 50/50/25/25.
I am also in the process of purchasing some Hawthorn Berry for blood pressure.
Should I be taking anything else with my cycle and also be adding anything else to my PCT?
I have been told a million different things and I am starting to worry. Should I be taking L-Dopa and Vit B6? How about Vitex? And a natural test booster for my PCT? Do i need all these things or is that just overkill??
I would appriciate some help!
01-21-2009 10:08 AM
P5P Ldopa and cycle support/life support.
clomid i would up if its a research chem to 100/100/50/50 im iffy on the potency after my PCT.
01-21-2009 10:30 AM
Should I be taking these now? I took my first T-roid today and plan to be doing a 6 week cycle.
Will I be ok missing 2 weeks (delviery time) of Ldopa and cycle support?
01-31-2009 01:31 AM
If you want a real pct get toremifene, but that ph probably won't even shut you down so at the very least get a natty test booster for after cycle.
01-31-2009 01:45 AM
That is a hell of a lot of Clomid to be taking for a designer product. I know people who use less after an injectable cycle. I'd use Nolvadex, personally.
01-31-2009 01:45 AM
That's all he will most likely need.
Originally Posted by revamping
01-31-2009 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Rhys85
you guys dont fully understand these designers then.
my test level was between 4-9 coming off a PPLEX SDROL bridge.
My levels were at 224 after a 100/50/50/50 PCT of clomid and it was research grade so like i said potency if iffy which is why when i reccommend no i reccommend 100/100/50/50
Nolva is really not all that great, more potent mg for mg but doesnt act on the pituitary as well as clomid, nor does it stimulate HPTA as effectivly because it wasnt specifically designed for that, that was a secondary function of blocking estrogen at the ERa
01-31-2009 02:56 AM
Ive never had a good pct experience when using Nolva instead of clomid. Clomid plumps my balls up nicely and pretty quickly while with nolva i really was concerned b/c it didnt seem to help with atrophy...for several weeks.
02-01-2009 02:08 AM
I've ran clomid,nolva and toremifene, clomid-worse pct ever on getting me back, nolva gets the job done great for gyno, took 40/30/20/20 still a few probs bluury vision, reduced libido and headaches, all were worse on clomid though (emo like crazy 50 mg too, after 3 days of 300). I ran toremifene after my last cycle (soft as a box of tissues) 3 days I was hard 1 week the boys and their friend were the biggest they have ever been in my life. The other 2 are no longer an option and just a waste of money for what you could be getting, but don't count nolva out completely as it is the best for gyno (other than letro-diff category though). O ya and for the torem sides the first week I didn't feel right, moreso probably cause I was shutdown. I think the effects I felt were from ephidrine or just from having a surpressed hormone level, one last thing I should say is I also started a homemade natty test booster, homemade cause I dosed all the ingredients right instead of just getting them from a companys blend dosed at1/4 of what they should be, same price if not cheaper in bulk.
Oh and for me not understanding these designers F YOU. I've ran 3 cycles of tren the pro hormone (many other compounds too my fav of which is test) which gives me the best kind of knowledge personal experience after researching for hours on end. Aside from that I've assisted over 20 different kids through cycles and the first thing I tell them is get a pct. Many kids are retards these days and ignore my advice, but they do just fine. In fact I've heard alot of reports of lifts going up after legit cycle ph's.(I can't even begin to figure that out)
The final say is everyone's body responds differently and we have no way of predicting it. If your gonna start a cycle always have a pct ready whether you'll need it or not. I always run a pct just so I know I'm good (and I love toremifene).
02-01-2009 09:10 AM
Not related to PCT, but I would drop the milk thistle since what you're taking is not methylated.
I prefer celery seed extract for BP control, but I guess so long as you have something you're covered.
As stated previously, use P-5-P instead of B6.
Good luck with your cycle.
02-01-2009 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by silverSurfer
Why Drop the milk thistle? Will it be counter productive?
Also if i cant get P-5-P is B6 ok? Or take neither....
I am now also on ZMA.
02-01-2009 05:39 PM
which of these is the right clomid?
I dont know the difference!
02-02-2009 11:50 PM
i got off that compound after a week. should be called gyno-roid lol. used p5p and vitex but i don't think they helped. was also using adex during this but gyno was just bad.
02-03-2009 03:46 AM
damn that it? 224...this must be why people are experiencing delayed Gyno
Originally Posted by crazyfool405
02-03-2009 03:52 AM
if your running this 19-nor by itself without test you aint going to have much fun
is it similar to tren or deca ?
clomid for pct 200mg a day and nolva for tits and arimidex .25 from week 4
02-05-2009 07:46 AM
It is not a methylated compound, so no need to take milk thistle.
Originally Posted by mikeyb123
02-05-2009 01:27 PM
just because its not methylated doesnt mean it doesnt effect the liver, the liver has enzymes and processes to convert these hormones and metabolize these hormones which still can cause some damage to the liver.
02-07-2009 07:11 PM
True. I personally don't take milk thistle with non-methylated compounds because of risk of too much compound being discarded. My bloodwork comes back normal after using a non-methylated compound without milk thistle.
Now, suff like SD, M1T, H-Drol and any other methylated compound I usually pre-load milk thistle a good 2 to 4 weeks before cycle begins and continue taking it through PCT.
I'll retract my previous recommendation for mikeyb123 and provide a new one: get blood work mikeyb123. The results will tell you what to do next time since we are all different.
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