3-AD/Havoc PCT Suggestions

BigFish80

BigFish80

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All right, So the stack looks like this:
Cycle
Wk1: 3-AD (6 pills)
Wk2: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk3: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk4: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 40mg
Wk5: Havoc 40mg

Other supplements while on cycle:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout IF NEEDED

So here is where your suggestions in:

PCT
Wk1: Nolva (30mg first 4 days then 20mg)
Wk2: Nolva 20mg
Wk3: Nolva 10mg
Wk4: Nolva 10mg

Other supplements during PCT:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout
-Pre workout Creatine, NO supplement, Beta-Al supplement(Maybe NP Ultimate MassPump Stack and add in Beta-Al and some Creatine Mono)

Looking at running AX's aPCT but I've heard good things about Sustain Alpha. Also looking at running Lean FX at the start of Wk 3 PCT to combat the rise in cortisol. Suggestions for the best possible PCT for this cycle?????

Also running a 4-6 week cut following PCT that will include Levi Reloaded / DCP / DTH and maybe Napalm. Should I run the DHT during PCT or save it for the cut.
Any Suggestions on this are welcomed as well.

I'll start loading up on support supplements on Feb 15th and plan on taking the first dose of 3-AD on the 1st of March. This should put me ending my cut in early June and ripped for summer.

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Everything looks ok to me. I am running my first Havoc cycle right now and it seems to be kicking in now, the beginning of the third week. 30/30/40/40. How about you?

If you want on example I can curl 100 lbs barbell now as opposed to the 80 lbs I could only do last week!
 
Looks well thought out
 
Thanks CopyCat. Any thoughts on my question above about the sustain alpha w/ aPCT (overkill, maybe?) and when would be the best time (CUT OR PCT) to take the Diesel Test Hardcore?
 
BigFish80 said:
Thanks CopyCat. Any thoughts on my question above about the sustain alpha w/ aPCT (overkill, maybe?) and when would be the best time (CUT OR PCT) to take the Diesel Test Hardcore?
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Sustain alpha should be fine with aPCT. I believe running a low dose of DTH would be fine as well during PCT, but very well may not be needed. I personally love DTH and all of get diesel's products. DTH won't really help with a cut specifically, it's a natty test booster. Not to say that isn't a fine time to take it, because it is, any time is.

All in all, the person I would really talk to is Trauma 1. He is currently a rep for Primordial and was before that a rep for RPN, and used DTH in his last PCT. On top of all that he's an ER nurse, so I value his opinion. Just seems to me to be the guy who would be good to through some questions at.

Pz
 
CopyCat said:
Sustain alpha should be fine with aPCT. I believe running a low dose of DTH would be fine as well during PCT, but very well may not be needed. I personally love DTH and all of get diesel's products. DTH won't really help with a cut specifically, it's a natty test booster. Not to say that isn't a fine time to take it, because it is, any time is.

All in all, the person I would really talk to is Trauma 1. He is currently a rep for Primordial and was before that a rep for RPN, and used DTH in his last PCT. On top of all that he's an ER nurse, so I value his opinion. Just seems to me to be the guy who would be good to through some questions at.

Pz
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I was thinking of running the DTH during a cut just for the added aggression in the gym while cutting and added feeling of well-being. I just know I'll feel like crap when I drop my calories down and limit the carbs. Just using the DTH to help push me through, not actually to cut with. Thanks for the input. :thumbsup:

I've chatted with Trama1 about the cycle at length but he hasn't chimed in with thoughts on the PCT. Still on the fence about Sustain Alpha though, but like I said..... I hear good things about its effects after a cycle.

BigFish80
 
BigFish80 said:
I was thinking of running the DTH during a cut just for the added aggression in the gym while cutting and added feeling of well-being. I just know I'll feel like crap when I drop my calories down and limit the carbs. Just using the DTH to help push me through, not actually to cut with. Thanks for the input. :thumbsup:

I've chatted with Trama1 about the cycle at length but he hasn't chimed in with thoughts on the PCT. Still on the fence about Sustain Alpha though, but like I said..... I hear good things about its effects after a cycle.

BigFish80
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Then with that, speaking for myself if I had your supps I would run the sustain along with aPCT. I've used their Hyperdrol X2 which has 6-Brom in it as well, 50mg as opposed to 25mg in aPCT and didn't really get much from it. So, I think I would be better served running them both. By the end of week 2 or so if I felt it wasn't enough then I would through in DTH. Otherwise maybe save the DTH for down the road.

I've been prepping for a havoc cycle as well. Will be running it probably late feb or march.

Havoc - 20/30/30/40
AI Cycle Support
DHEA
Taurine
Multi vitamin
Fish oil
Protein
BCAA’s

PCT:
Toremifene
Creatine
Lean xtreme
Diesel test Hardcore
Sunami
AI Post cycle support
Cycle support
BCAA’s
 
CopyCat said:
Then with that, speaking for myself if I had your supps I would run the sustain along with aPCT. I've used their Hyperdrol X2 which has 6-Brom in it as well, 50mg as opposed to 25mg in aPCT and didn't really get much from it. So, I think I would be better served running them both. By the end of week 2 or so if I felt it wasn't enough then I would through in DTH. Otherwise maybe save the DTH for down the road.

I've been prepping for a havoc cycle as well. Will be running it probably late feb or march.

Havoc - 20/30/30/40
AI Cycle Support
DHEA
Taurine
Multi vitamin
Fish oil
Protein
BCAA’s

PCT:
Toremifene
Creatine
Lean xtreme
Diesel test Hardcore
Sunami
AI Post cycle support
Cycle support
BCAA’s
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I did almost this exact same cycle back in June. Almost the exact same support supps and everything, except I ran a Activate Xtreme/Stoked(PCS) stack for my testbooster. Have you run Havoc before? I had great results with this...... hope you have the same.
 
I haven't used Havoc before, but I'm excited as hell. I just need to wait until I'm done traveling for training.
 
CopyCat said:
I haven't used Havoc before, but I'm excited as hell. I just need to wait until I'm done traveling for training.
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You should be excited. It's probably the best DS I've ever taken. Crazy strength and size gains. I went from about 207 to 224 dosed exactly like you are dosing it. Just be ready for the libido to shut down, and I mean SHUTDOWN, at the end of week 2. Add in that DHEA and your ready to go again. Seems like you've done your homework. Good luck and let me know if I can be of any assistance.
 
With the DHEA I was planning on running 50mg/day 1st 2 wks then 100mg/day last 2 wks dosing 50 am and 50 pm.
 
CopyCat said:
With the DHEA I was planning on running 50mg/day 1st 2 wks then 100mg/day last 2 wks dosing 50 am and 50 pm.
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I personally held off with the DHEA until the libido went through the floor. This sort let me know that the havoc was really kicking in. Also I don't like to add in something to a cycle that "could" be not needed. Perfect case in point, if the libido wouldn't have dropped I would have never started taking the DHEA. Thats just me though. I think you should have some fantastic results as it seems you are running the exact same cycle that I ran, but I weighed in at ~210lbs at the start of the cycle. I also did Nolva for my SERM. Please let me know how Torem works for you. I've thinking about giving it a go.
 
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