Toremifene libido friendly? Nolva not?

[monsterbox]

Ever since my first havoc cycle in which I used nolvadex for pct dosed 30/30/20/10. I vowed to never use this serm again because it made me feel depressed, anxious, bloated, and KILLED my sex drive.

The tragedy of the story was I worried myseld sick thinking I was shutdown from havoc when really it was all tamox's fault for side effects. So f*ck you tamoxifene :hammer: this crap is WAY WAY WAY overrated.

This go around on havoc i'm using reversitol for pct and i felt 100% better in the first 2 days then the first month on nolva!


Now, I researched and read some about toremifene/fareston but theres not much out there on side effects. Supposedly this stuff is THE SH*T. I would love to try out some real stuff like SD/PP the correct way if only there was a SERM that didn't make me loose my sex drive at all.

So toremifene and libido? what do you guys think?

 

[eballarj]

Ever since my first havoc cycle in which I used nolvadex for pct dosed 30/30/20/10. I vowed to never use this serm again because it made me feel depressed, anxious, bloated, and KILLED my sex drive.

The tragedy of the story was I worried myseld sick thinking I was shutdown from havoc when really it was all tamox's fault for side effects. So f*ck you tamoxifene :hammer: this crap is WAY WAY WAY overrated.

This go around on havoc i'm using reversitol for pct and i felt 100% better in the first 2 days then the first month on nolva!


Now, I researched and read some about toremifene/fareston but theres not much out there on side effects. Supposedly this stuff is THE SH*T. I would love to try out some real stuff like SD/PP the correct way if only there was a SERM that didn't make me loose my sex drive at all.

So toremifene and libido? what do you guys think?

i am starting my second day on it. feeling fine so far...i'll let you know how it goes if i remember to, lol. From the posts I read, it appears libido comes back in full effect very quickly. I remember reading something by Dr. D a while ago where he said something like

"start with 60-120mg/d only. This stuff was exceptionally strong to me for some reason. I never took more than 120mg/d. At that dose, spontaneous ejaculation may occur. Yeah, I'm not kidding either. It turns 'em back on that fast!"

...i hope he's right! haha

 

[crazyfool405]

never used torem, but ive had success with tamox and clomid, clomid worked better for me though.

when using large amount of nolva (dose that i duno but im guessing 40-60mg range) it can negativly effect your HPTA

 

[pistonpump]

never used torem, but ive had success with tamox and clomid, clomid worked better for me though.

when using large amount of nolva (dose that i duno but im guessing 40-60mg range) it can negativly effect your HPTA

how can it negatively effect your HPTA? Id like to hear this one.

 

[crazyfool405]

how can it negatively effect your HPTA? Id like to hear this one.

i got it from ALR, in his chemical enhancement PDF. he said that it can overstimulate the adrenal glands which produce androstenedione which is converted in to estrogens. keeping estro levels raise,

ill attach the PDF, page 89

 

[dg806]

when using large amount of nolva (dose that i duno but im guessing 40-60mg range) it can negativly effect your HPTA

I find that hard to believe when it has been proven to help restore HPTA function. What section of that report is that listed? 226 pages!

 

[crazyfool405]

I find that hard to believe when it has been proven to help restore HPTA function. What section of that report is that listed? 226 pages!

page 89

but ALR is pretty respected i believe and hes a smart dude. but i can see where hes going with it.

 

[monsterbox]

any more comments on torem?

 

[monsterbox]

bump

 

[lennoxchi]

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Torm.....yes brought the boys back right away. did not have an effect on my sex drive either, neither positive or negative. the problem with the question your asking is, different chemicals effect different people is different ways. case and point, i'm allergic to penicillin (a chemical) my brother is not. so what effects me in one way might effect you in another completely. the only way your going to learn what it will do to you, is to take it and see what happens. but do it in respective doses and safely, of course. now that's the double truth, Ruth!

 

[monsterbox]

you are right.

While I'm trying to find a source, I'm trying to see if there are people out ther that had BAD experiences w/ nolva but completely opposite experiences with toremifene regarding libido...

 

[TripDog]

any more comments on torem?

I have 6 grams coming to play with, so i'll let you know. i got it mainly for a libido boost, if not future pct's.

Tamox is notorious for killing libido in my book, torm is said to be the opposite....and not a carcionigen either like tamox.

pm me in like a month and i'll give you the 411

 

[monsterbox]

I have 6 grams coming to play with, so i'll let you know. i got it mainly for a libido boost, if not future pct's.

Tamox is notorious for killing libido in my book, torm is said to be the opposite....and not a carcionigen either like tamox.

now THIS is what I want to hear....thats one down for the record. Try it out and let me know ASAP. Hope I can figure out where you found those 6 grams...lol:thumbsup:

 

[lennoxchi]

Hope I can figure out where you found those 6 grams...lol:thumbsup:

me too. and for the record, Torm. did have a positive effect on my sex drive, better than nolva.

 

[LilPsychotic]

You know, this is strange. Last year, I got liquid tamox from one source, and the stuff worked great. My balls were back in full swing within a week, and my libido was raging. I thought it worked quite well. However, I noticed that the liquid had crystalized and I wasn't sure that I was getting the correct dose. So this time around, i tried a more popular source and it was completely different. I thought I was still semi shut down because libido wasn't there. After pct, bloodwork revealed that all was well, but it left me really wondering about research chemicals. I suppose it really is better to spring for the tabs, but damn its a tenfold expense increase.

 

[WeightShift]

You know, this is strange. Last year, I got liquid tamox from one source, and the stuff worked great. My balls were back in full swing within a week, and my libido was raging. I thought it worked quite well. However, I noticed that the liquid had crystalized and I wasn't sure that I was getting the correct dose. So this time around, i tried a more popular source and it was completely different. I thought I was still semi shut down because libido wasn't there. After pct, bloodwork revealed that all was well, but it left me really wondering about research chemicals. I suppose it really is better to spring for the tabs, but damn its a tenfold expense increase.

Most chem sites, or atleast the three I deal with, are notoriously vigilant in rectifying a product issue. I got a bad bottle of Cia once (lol) and they sent me another one within a week and gave me a 50% off credit to my next order.

Contact them next time... good chance they'll help you out.

 

[TripDog]

Most chem sites, or atleast the three I deal with, are notoriously vigilant in rectifying a product issue. I got a bad bottle of Cia once (lol) and they sent me another one within a week and gave me a 50% off credit to my next order.

Contact them next time... good chance they'll help you out.

Cialis? does that stuff work?

 

[R-Mac]

They certainly will effect everyone differently however here is my experience....... Nolva vs. Torem :duel:

have used both liquid Nolva and liquid Torem....Nolva has negatively impacted my libido before Torem has not...The good old boyz came back much quicker on Torem and I felt better in PCT-it was a breeze IMO...I am in favor of Torem as my PCT Serm and Nolva on hand in case anything unfortunate arises...but that's just me

 

[WeightShift]

Cialis? does that stuff work?

Perfectly. Unstoppable jackhammer for 24/36 hours depending on dose.

Prescription Cialis is about $100 bucks for 6 20MG tablets (36hours each). If you pickup a 30mg/30ml Cia, you're looking at roughly 60 15mg doses for MUCH less.

Since prescription Cialis is legal, I hope that price estimate isn't a violation. If so, I apologize.

 

[Force of Green]

From my experiences:

Nolva - Got the job done, but took too long to get things back up to speed.

Clomid - I tried this one going on Dinoii's advice (smart man), but I was watching movies all day and crying. Movies like Spiderman and $hit... I was an emotional WRECK. I wanted to get back 'on'.

Toremefine - I feel totally recovered within a week from this. I did experience premature ejaculation on it too. I usually take a long time to climax, but I was jackin it in the shower and after 20 seconds I popped. Similar things happened on other occasions.

6-OXO: Excellent for weak $hit or addition to things. I have used it for a M4OHN and MDIEN cycle (Metacort) and it did the job well.

Sustain Alpha: Great for use alongside a low dose of Torem. I used it as part of PCT (an OTC counterpart) from Halo/Epi and used torem at 30mg per day and this combo worked well.

 

[andrew732]

I find Toremefine to be the most effective and safest SERM in restoring HPTA and homeostasis in the body based on some studies I have read and a friend of mine's personal experience, a bit costly though.

 

[thegodfather]

Nolva's always worked well for me with virtually no sides other than some elevated BP. I got Nolva again since I couldnt find Torem in stock, but I'll try it some time and compare. Never tried Clomid and probably never will.

 

[WeightShift]

Toremefine - I feel totally recovered within a week from this. I did experience premature ejaculation on it too. I usually take a long time to climax, but I was jackin it in the shower and after 20 seconds I popped. Similar things happened on other occasions.

Anybody else experience premature ejaculation on Torem? That would be a deal breaker for me, lol.

 

[pistonpump]

Anybody else experience premature ejaculation on Torem? That would be a deal breaker for me, lol.

that would be a full drawer full for me! :lol:

 

[dg806]

Cialis? does that stuff work?

You need to try it just once. Have your gf or wife prepared though!

 

[Force of Green]

I find Toremefine to be the most effective and safest SERM in restoring HPTA and homeostasis in the body based on some studies I have read and a friend of mine's personal experience, a bit costly though. However, in all honesty I would not buy anything except AI's Post Cycle Support! Just use Post Cycle Support and you'll be fine. If you want to really kick it into over-drive, use Stoked and Post Cycle Support together!

Jesus Andrew, way to pimp AI. @$$. :nono:

 

[LilPsychotic]

that would be a full drawer full for me! :lol:

Right on, anything longer than 4 minutes is a hassle IMO

 

[andrew732]

Jesus Andrew, way to pimp AI. @$$. :nono:

LOL, Stoked is definitelty a great addition to your 3rd week of pct at once you have lowered doses on your SERM.:thumbsup:

 

[bb4life]

Used torem in feb for my last cycle... first week was awesome, dosed at 120/120/120/90/90/90/90 then dropped it down to 60 the second week. first 2-3 days at 60 i had no libido but after those few days i was fine again and stayed that way.

 

[thapr3dat0r]

Haven't tried Torem, too expensive right now. Got a killer deal on Nolva....unfortunately it was also killer on my libido. Just a day or two after dosing it I was back in business and putting in overtime on the GF to make up for lost time.

 

[monsterbox]

good info...there needs to be a sticky on this stuff.

Theres not much out there warning people about the libido loss associated with nolvadex. MANY people assume they are shut down really bad and go overboard, like I did, all to find out that nolvadex masked their libido.

 

[Force of Green]

good info...there needs to be a sticky on this stuff.

Theres not much out there warning people about the libido loss associated with nolvadex. MANY people assume they are shut down really bad and go overboard, like I did, all to find out that nolvadex masked their libido.

There is a sticky on this 'PCT for dummies' or something like that.

 

[WeightShift]

When you guys refer to libido are you simply referring to the urge and not the function?

 

[monsterbox]

im referring to libido as in...immediately after you finish having sex you have no interest anymore, u are not horny...but if you keep pounding her it will stay up it just feels like a chore

 

[WeightShift]

im referring to libido as in...immediately after you finish having sex you have no interest anymore, u are not horny...but if you keep pounding her it will stay up it just feels like a chore

Thats just normal. Its call a "refractory period."

Libido by definition is the urge but some people seem to use it in a way that denotes ED which I hadn't heard of with Tamox. Was just curious about it.

 

[crazyfool405]

im referring to libido as in...immediately after you finish having sex you have no interest anymore, u are not horny...but if you keep pounding her it will stay up it just feels like a chore

if it refractory peroid your having trouble with, get some dostinex or a dopamine Agonist like Ldopa

that should help ya.

 

[Force of Green]

if it refractory peroid your having trouble with, get some dostinex or a dopamine Agonist like Ldopa

that should help ya.

You'd be a crazy fool not to listen to crazyfool.

 

[WeightShift]

You'd be a crazy fool not to listen to crazyfool.

+1!

 

[monsterbox]

sorry....I meant to say its like that feeling ALLL the time.

Feeling like refractory the entire week is no libido in my book

 

[pistonpump]

sorry....I meant to say its like that feeling ALLL the time.

Feeling like refractory the entire week is no libido in my book

thats what libido is, the urge. Most guys dont have the urge after they ejaculate, the main cause is a surge of prolactin. Raises in prolactin= no sex drive. Look at compounds like deca and tren. Its not that simple whoever, libido is a complicated thing when you get to specifics of blood levels of hormones, ratios and balances.

 

[crazyfool405]

thats what libido is, the urge. Most guys dont have the urge after they ejaculate, the main cause is a surge of prolactin. Raises in prolactin= no sex drive. Look at compounds like deca and tren. Its not that simple whoever, libido is a complicated thing when you get to specifics of blood levels of hormones, ratios and balances.

this man speaks the truth.

 

[thapr3dat0r]

Yeah, it's just the urge, drive, want, horniness etc. that is absent. The piping still works.

 

[Force of Green]

Sometimes if I would just think about certain things in my head... ya know... tune into fantasie land, I could go again no doubt. I thought of how much of a dirty tramp my ex was and I could c0ck punish her 4 times in a row.

 

[WeightShift]

Better hope your girlfriend can't read minds!