- 10-21-2008, 10:10 PM
- 10-21-2008, 11:00 PM
No reason too taper down, for pct your going too need a good Anti-estrogen.
I dont feel comfortable giving you a dosage schedule because i dont know enough about females and AAS, but if you post this in the female fitness section Im willing too bet that Crader will help you out, good luck
- 10-21-2008, 11:03 PM
10-21-2008, 11:03 PM
10-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Maybe Holy can chime in here as I think he has worked with women before, but I am on a board for women and I have seen some cycles by women and I don't think they need pct as they don't have testosterone to get back up. All women have to worry about is estrogen rebound. I have seen women take 10mg of nolva and have terrible reprecussions. And woman can be affected greatly at a fraction of the dosage of aas that men take.
10-23-2008, 08:50 PM
I use 10mg twice a day for contest prep. Only using legit Nolvadex and it does come with sides! You will lose your period and when you stop your estrogen will rebound.
I might say try RPM or one of ChuckDiesels Natty test boosters to hold on to gains. I would not use the Nolvadex for anything but dropping fat for a contest.
Keep your BCAA's high to keep muscle from breaking down, keep protein high as well. I say a natty test booster would be best. Otherwise you might add to the problems. Did you use liver support and blood pressure support while you were on?
Did you have any sides from it? The epi that is? Because if you did then I would hold off on a test booster as the levels of test will be high and the sides will not diminish. Some may be permanent.
10-23-2008, 11:41 PM
10-24-2008, 11:02 AM
I've used RPM with no sides other than acne. And have played with Chuck Diesels test booster. I don't dose every day and you have to keep diet dead on and cardio to keep up with the estrogen gain.
I however have dropped 5 lbs since coming off and stayed lean. But muscle loss was some off it.
10-24-2008, 11:39 AM
10-24-2008, 12:24 PM
10-24-2008, 02:46 PM
10-24-2008, 04:33 PM
I meant that for it to be effective in controlling estrogen related fat for contests it had to be Nolvadex, not something that sounds similar. The stuff suppement companies sell that sounds like Nolvadex is not the same compound and it does not work in women the same.
10-24-2008, 04:37 PM
So that is in turn admitting that the fat will hit after stopping for us. As well as the rebound in estrogen causing periods to re-start with a vengance and sore breasts and weight gain. Makes it worthwhile to some if you are competing, however its also a lot to think about for the average women in bodybuilding.
10-24-2008, 06:21 PM
i just asked him about estro rebound, hasnt got back to me yet, i would assume aromasin would control that? or some sort of AI, mainly a steroidal one?
i wish i studies the effects of anabolics and women when i first started studying this **** like 3 years ago. but im learning now and its never to late, ill get back to you on what he proposes later
10-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Planning to do DCP/Levi reloaded next week, (also you mentioned Beta Alanine to me as well . Do I start the three together? Should I start it while still on e max or wait until totally finished. I don't want to have a big fat gain from estro. Hey forgot to mention, is it normal to still have period while on this. I must still be producing estro, then right? I thought the test would stop them temporarily. Wow I wish it is as easy for woman to gain lean muscle, so much is still unknown.
Love the pumps
btw, I have someone who is in their 2nd week on e max, should they be on liver support, also he has come down with a chest cold, (hoarseness, muscle aches) should he continue with the cycle?
10-25-2008, 09:28 AM
10-25-2008, 01:20 PM
10-25-2008, 01:30 PM
An Anti-estrogen is tricky to recommend here.
I would try a low dose aromatase inhibitor, as well as low dose test booster.
This area is too new, and unresearched, to strongly recommend anything, especially with the newer compounds.
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10-25-2008, 01:35 PM
10-26-2008, 09:16 PM
10-26-2008, 09:51 PM
this is daves answer....
Dave what about estrogen rebound for females when coming off a cycle? anything to control that? Estrogen rebound is usually nothing more than EATING-LIKE-AN-OUT-OF-CONTROL PIG........ Women gains tons of weight and hold lots of water after competing because they rebound of diuretics and/or they start overeating the wrong foods. To prevent water rebound, stay on some diuretics for 3-5 days following your show while ingesting lots of salt and water (to help restore fluid balance and electrolytes). The diuretics will maintain proper water balance until your body regulates itself after a few days.
10-27-2008, 01:01 PM
10-27-2008, 01:05 PM
Yeah I tend to agree, you put hormones in your body and the only rebound he says you get is from stoppping diuretics or diet.
I had some rebound while diet was dead on and potassium levels were fine.
10-27-2008, 05:37 PM
10-27-2008, 05:39 PM
10-27-2008, 05:43 PM
10-28-2008, 02:14 AM
10-28-2008, 01:13 PM
I think some of these ideas are new, like running test boosters. From what I have seen in the past, most just deal with the sides of estrogen rebound which reallly suck.
10-28-2008, 02:07 PM
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