- 10-02-2008, 10:39 AM
Im on week three of a Spawn cycle which is a combo of epi + trenabol ( which isn't suppose to convert to estrogen), and last night i noticed my nipples were a bit tender. I did work my back yesterday i was thinking that my nipples could be sore because of the pad that your chest rests against during rows. Any how, i have liquid Nolva on hand, so how should i go about this? I am going to wait till tomorrow to see if the tenderness goes away. Thanks!
- 10-02-2008, 10:43 AM
your most likely out of luck, because its a mix of epi and tren (on of which has progestin sides, for most people) id hop on some chaste berry Ldopa and P5P , that should take car of it if its prolactin, if not try getting some 6-bromo to lower estrogen,
estrogen is what causes these problems, the nolva will help but only in binding to the site and not allowing any more to get there, it wont actually lower your estrogen enough for theproblem to go away...
- 10-02-2008, 06:45 PM
It is fairly common to have puffy or sensitive nips during a cycle as long as a hard lump is not forming under the nips you should be fine.
10-03-2008, 12:01 AM
Trenabol has progestin issues as Crazy said.
10-07-2008, 01:20 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I started dosing at 10 mg a day but i think that is not enough so im going to do 25mg for 3-4 days and see if the tenderness subsides. Under one nipple i do have a small lump but its not a ball like i've heard happens so i'm not sure. I have one week left of spawn, so i was thinking about stopping it now and starting straight into pct. Does that sound right? And should i be taking my Post Cycle Support along with Nolva or just nolva?
10-07-2008, 06:58 AM
Forget the p5p and ldopa and get yourself some cabergoline. Its safe at low dosages and proven to work. If at all possible, don't go the way of liquid chems either, go for the pill form.
10-07-2008, 09:17 AM
The 25 mg of nolva has seemed to helped so would it be ok to wait it out a couple of days and see if the nolva does the job? Also what about jumping straight into my pct?
10-07-2008, 11:05 AM
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10-07-2008, 01:27 PM
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10-07-2008, 02:10 PM
I understand that but still should i stop the cycle and go straight into my pct with nolva at 40/40/20/20?
10-07-2008, 02:30 PM
different things work for different people, but with high prolactin comes high estrogen, so you need to control both.
dopamine atangonist will work in the same effect Caber would with lowering prolactin levels. (but not through the same mechanism, and may work different for everyone) i have a list of ingredients that can/will lower prolactin, the problem is finding them in bulk and capping them, this problem isnt really that common in a lot of people
10-07-2008, 03:00 PM
So getting off of the spawn and starting pct would be a wise decision in order to restore natural test levels?
10-08-2008, 02:23 PM
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How much longer was your cycle going to be?
10-08-2008, 02:38 PM
It was going to end on saturday. I just started dosing nolva at 40 mg and started on Post Cycle Support. I am seeing a doctor today just to be sure about it. I think it is going down and i think a lot is in my head but i just want to be safe.
10-08-2008, 05:42 PM
if ur nips are puffy high estrogen is likely the cause, then use an AI like 6bromo, also look into Ldopa P5P and chaste berry,
your nips leaking?
10-08-2008, 07:05 PM
However, I'm still convinced that cab should be used simply because like any pharma drug, it works better than OTC remedies.
10-08-2008, 07:42 PM
right but things used in folklore medicine, has started to be recognized as possible treatments for certain things, finisteride VS Saw palmetto is a prime example.
nolva for puffy nips isnt how i would address it, an AI is how i would, once gyno is formed nolva wont make it better.
10-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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10-09-2008, 11:31 AM
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10-09-2008, 12:03 PM
10-09-2008, 12:04 PM
although it may reduce it i saw a study where almost half the patients rebounded after stopping treatment.....
it also depends on the size, there are other factors.
10-09-2008, 12:06 PM
to prevent that, take an AI, front load and taper off. was the study done in isolation, as in they only took the nolva and the letro?
10-09-2008, 12:20 PM
10-09-2008, 12:22 PM
10-09-2008, 12:23 PM
10-09-2008, 12:26 PM
i agree that an AI would be a better all around choice IF you are getting a slight flare up/puffy nipples, etc. However, if you have tissue development, an AI isnt going to counter act that...just going to stop androgens from converting into estrogen. if there is tissue growth, it really wont do much.
i have heard mixed responses on the nolva/letro from other people as well. there are a few who would swear by it though. i'm going to have to look more into that
10-09-2008, 12:31 PM
estrogen causes the tissue growth, and its mediated by IGF1
Arimidex will lower estrogen in your body a lot more then nolva. but its effect on IGF1 is less then nolva.
tissue development- if its hard tissue, you need to get it removed, theres no way around it,
soft tissue is execess estrogen and an AI will take care of it better then nolva with out as much IGF1 lowering and it will help you keep some of those gains your working soo hard for.
the only AI that ive seen increase IGF1 is Aromasin.
10-10-2008, 07:32 AM
10-10-2008, 09:10 AM
10-12-2008, 11:52 PM
Drink a gram of bitter orange tabs a day and you should be fine.
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