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    Up-coming M-Drol - Help with PCT


    Hey fellas I am going to run a three week Mdrol cycle 10/20/20

    For PCT I have Nolva, ALRI Restore, HyperTEST, Lean X-treme, and 6-oxo, AI Cycle Support, Fish Oils

    Could you help with with when to start dosing for each and how long.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondlook View Post
    Hey fellas I am going to run a three week Mdrol cycle 10/20/20

    For PCT I have Nolva, ALRI Restore, HyperTEST, Lean X-treme, and 6-oxo, AI Cycle Support, Fish Oils

    Could you help with with when to start dosing for each and how long.

    Thanks in advance.

    I honestly think that all that is overkill(even for M-drol);specially at those doses for that many weeks.

    I would say Nolva,Hypertest,Lean extreme, and maybe 6-oxo.

    1)You'll have to search for the Nolva dosage(many varing dosage recommendations)

    2)Lean extreme:recommended dosage starting in week 3 of PCT(finish bottle)

    3)Definetly continue cycle support throughout PCT

    4)If you use 6 -oxo, start it toward the end of PCT to prevent any rebound gyno. I would recommend tapering it down(IMO), but there are numerous dosage recommendations for that as well


    Good Luck
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    If I do 4 weeks Nolva, 20/20/10/10 should I be running HyperTest along with for 4 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by partyman43 View Post
    I honestly think that all that is overkill(even for M-drol);specially at those doses for that many weeks.

    I would say Nolva,Hypertest,Lean extreme, and maybe 6-oxo.

    1)You'll have to search for the Nolva dosage(many varing dosage recommendations)

    2)Lean extreme:recommended dosage starting in week 3 of PCT(finish bottle)

    3)Definetly continue cycle support throughout PCT

    4)If you use 6 -oxo, start it toward the end of PCT to prevent any rebound gyno. I would recommend tapering it down(IMO), but there are numerous dosage recommendations for that as well


    Good Luck

    start 6oxo at the same time you start nolva,

    what people dont realize about 6 oxo is that IT DOESNT LOWER ESTROGEN it keeps it the same while raise test, but it does prevent the aromatization of test to estro, so IMO nolva and 6oxo together, and if you want in the second week add 6bromo. (the bromo WILL lower estradiol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    start 6oxo at the same time you start nolva,

    what people dont realize about 6 oxo is that IT DOESNT LOWER ESTROGEN it keeps it the same while raise test, but it does prevent the aromatization of test to estro, so IMO nolva and 6oxo together, and if you want in the second week add 6bromo. (the bromo WILL lower estradiol)

    Hey crazyfool...help me out here...Then what is Nolva's purpose in your PCT layout?
    1) suppression,estrogen control
    2) gyno reduction

    Just curious... It seems as though The 6-oxo and 6-bromo are covering most estrogen problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by partyman43 View Post
    Hey crazyfool...help me out here...Then what is Nolva's purpose in your PCT layout?
    1) suppression,estrogen control
    2) gyno reduction

    Just curious... It seems as though The 6-oxo and 6-bromo are covering most estrogen problems?
    It prevents estrogen from binding to the receptors.
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    I would run Nolva 20/20/20/20

    Weeks 2-5 Post cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m.

    6 oxo weeks 3-6 taper the dose down each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    I would run Nolva 20/20/20/20

    Weeks 2-5 Post cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m.

    6 oxo weeks 3-6 taper the dose down each week.

    I wish you the best bro.

    Thats my point Pem...I don't see much reason in running both 6-bromo and 6-oxo at the same time...right? It almost seems like overkill again...I don't know for sure...just my 2 cents I guess. I could see running the 2 without a serm, but with a serm...i'm not sure. Alls I know is that often times people either run 6-bromo or 6-oxo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    I would run Nolva 20/20/20/20

    Weeks 2-5 Post cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m.

    6 oxo weeks 3-6 taper the dose down each week.

    I wish you the best bro.

    starting 6oxo in the beginning would be better IMO
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    Sorry dont mean to repeat but should I run the hyperTest along with nolva?
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    Quote Originally Posted by partyman43 View Post
    Thats my point Pem...I don't see much reason in running both 6-bromo and 6-oxo at the same time...right? It almost seems like overkill again...I don't know for sure...just my 2 cents I guess. I could see running the 2 without a serm, but with a serm...i'm not sure. Alls I know is that often times people either run 6-bromo or 6-oxo.
    i understand where your going with this, and thats the normal consensous around here.

    if you look at the baylor study on 6oxo it shows no decrease in estradiol, no change in SHBG and only a change in Testosterone (making the T/E ratio much more favorable)

    estradiol sensitized the hypothalmus causing problems with recovery.

    6a and 6b-bromo are shown to decrease estradiol by 70-80% which will aid recovery.

    they are similar products, but do different things

    so to sum it up

    6oxo- prevents aromatizing while keeping estradiol the same and SHBG the same.

    6-bromo- prevents aromatization while LOWERING estradiol, the effect on SHBG im not to sure of. it will most likely decrease it but only minimally.

    i hope this covers what you asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondlook View Post
    Sorry dont mean to repeat but should I run the hyperTest along with nolva?

    I don't see why you couldn't run hypertest along with nolva as your test booster
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    Quote Originally Posted by partyman43 View Post
    I don't see why you couldn't run hypertest along with nolva as your test booster

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    one more quick question...do you think i would benefit much running 10/20/30 vs. 10/20/20? Who would do what? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondlook View Post
    one more quick question...do you think i would benefit much running 10/20/30 vs. 10/20/20? Who would do what? Thanks


    Depends...if your happy with your gains into week 2 with 20 mgs, then keep it the same. You can bump it up to 30, but I wouldn't go higher
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    starting 6oxo in the beginning would be better IMO
    6-oxo and nolva at the same time? I believe the 6-oxo after the nolva would be much better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOakman View Post
    6-oxo and nolva at the same time? I believe the 6-oxo after the nolva would be much better off.

    i think it would be benificial in the beginiing. for the reasons that 6oxo doesnt effect SHBG, raises Testosterone, and keeps estradiol the same, all while preventin gthe aromatization of androgens to estrogens, which will happen naturally as you raise you test levels with a SERM
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i think it would be benificial in the beginiing. for the reasons that 6oxo doesnt effect SHBG, raises Testosterone, and keeps estradiol the same, all while preventin gthe aromatization of androgens to estrogens, which will happen naturally as you raise you test levels with a SERM
    Wouldn't you want estradiol to rise as well and not be completely shut off as well and prevent an overload of it after the SERM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOakman View Post
    Wouldn't you want estradiol to rise as well and not be completely shut off as well and prevent an overload of it after the SERM?
    estradiol is what keeps you shut down.

    if your estradiol is high it will **** with your hypothalamus, and make your recovery harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    estradiol is what keeps you shut down.

    if your estradiol is high it will **** with your hypothalamus, and make your recovery harder.
    Isn't the point of having a SERM is having it regulate your estradiol levels and if you add in 6-oxo while on it wouldn't it potentially have a rebound effect if you stopped it with a SERM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOakman View Post
    Isn't the point of having a SERM is having it regulate your estradiol levels and if you add in 6-oxo while on it wouldn't it potentially have a rebound effect if you stopped it with a SERM?

    the serm will act as an antiestrogen at the hypothalmus, it will increase LH and FSH, and bind to specific receptors to prevent gyno.

    in no way should it raise Estradiol, it may even lower it to a degree.

    adding 6oxo prevents aromatization of androgens into estrogens. it will keep the test estro ratio good.

    and there shouldnt be a rebound becuase there wont be as much estrogen in the body (because you block the aromatization )
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