Letrozole tappering down to prevent Estro rebound

MrTexas1982 · 08-19-2008, 03:06 AM

Hey Fellas, and Gurus,

I need some advice. I finished a pulse cycle of epistane/ PCT for 4 weeks using an OTC pct, and about week 4 of my PCT i got a case of puffy gyno(happened overnight) on my left side(horrible stuff).

I started running letro using the famous dosing schedule (.25mg up to 2.5) and ran at 2.5 for about 3weeks, This got rid of about 70% of the gyno and also made me lose about 8 pounds.

Now im ready to taper down from the letro, and i know the schedule says taper down 2.5, 2.0,1.5,1.0,.5,.25. Then run a serm for about 2weeks. I currently have Torm and plan on using that for 2weeks once i taper down off the letro.

How do guys think that is going to work. Will that safely prevent a rebound, or am i still gonna be game for gyno. Also, can i continue the letro at 2.5 for another week or so leading to a total of 6 weeks on letro or is that too long. And if the torm is a safe bet to prevent the estro rebound after coming off the letro, can i run it for a total of 4 weeks instead of 2 for extra care and prevention.

Also my sides from the letro were low libido, can still get wood when needed, just don't have the desire for sex, I didn't notice my boys shrinking any either. Joint pain, but used alot of fish oil and that seemed to work great except when going into my last set of heavy reps.

Please chime in with some advise guys, cause the letro advise was on the money, still got some unilateral puffiness on the left but nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and pain is gone.
Thanks

MrTexas1982 · 08-19-2008, 02:08 PM

Anyone?

Erekose · 08-19-2008, 09:40 PM

I know you don't have any answers yet, but I'm in the same boat. Gyno from Epidrol, now on Letro.
I don't see any reason why your proposed schedule wouldn't work. Tapering down will allow you body to re-adjust and the SERM will protect you during that time. If you want to be extra cautious move to a EOD or E3D schedule with .25 of letro for a while and then SERM for two weeks.
Blood work would be a good idea too.

FYI for other readers: My E2 levels were quite low about two weeks after my gyno popped back up. Keep a sharp eye on your blood work right after your cycles - even if you think you are OK.

MrTexas1982 · 09-01-2008, 03:55 PM

Any takers? and Another question, i got some torem that im gonna be using after getting off the letro, but do you guys think I should try some ralox or some Tamox since i still have a little soft fatty tissue left on one side?, And what do you guys think about using some Napalm or LipoBurn to help get rid of the remaining fat?

Thanks

krogtaar · 09-02-2008, 01:31 PM

i would taper the letro down slower, 1 week seems like too fast to go from no estrogen to a ton that is blocked by serms. there should be some cycle logs around

Erekose · 09-05-2008, 03:04 AM

I agree with krogtaar, and I woudl definitely run Tamox for a few weeks just to be safe. It would be a shame to ruin your efforts.

MrTexas1982 · 09-09-2008, 12:06 PM

Erekose, since you had kind of the same issue as myself, i was wondering how the letro and worked out for you, how long were you on and have you had a rebound since coming off and running nolva.

Im currently on day 33 have been tapering down for about 4 days so far, but i still have some puffyness, no lump, mainly feels like just fat(?). Everyonce in a while now that im tappering I get a slight tingle, run to the mirror and check, but doesn't look like a rebound.

Im sick of this Letro shyt, but what do you think, should i have stayed on longer, did yours go away completely. Also I'm thinking about finishing up the letro in about 5 days, running Torm for about 3 weeks, then running Ralox along with a 6 week cycle of prime, because i loss some muscle during this Letro cycle due to the joint pain and gyno issues.

dg806 · 09-09-2008, 09:14 PM

From everything I have ever read, Nolva is your best bet for gyno. Also, letro will tank your HDL and skyrocket your LDL. Nolva will help your blood lipids.

Erekose · 09-16-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTexas1982

Erekose, since you had kind of the same issue as myself, i was wondering how the letro and worked out for you, how long were you on and have you had a rebound since coming off and running nolva.

Im currently on day 33 have been tapering down for about 4 days so far, but i still have some puffyness, no lump, mainly feels like just fat(?). Everyonce in a while now that im tappering I get a slight tingle, run to the mirror and check, but doesn't look like a rebound.

Im sick of this Letro shyt, but what do you think, should i have stayed on longer, did yours go away completely. Also I'm thinking about finishing up the letro in about 5 days, running Torm for about 3 weeks, then running Ralox along with a 6 week cycle of prime, because i loss some muscle during this Letro cycle due to the joint pain and gyno issues.

I am still working on mine, and it's mostly puffiness now as opposed to a lump. I've started in on the Nolvadex now, overlapping the Letro. The Nolvadex will be weakened by the Letro, but still effective IMO. Tamox is more effective against fatty gynecomastia.
I'm staying on Letro as long as it takes (up to 90 days in some cases), even if I carry it into my next cycle. I want the gyno *gone*.

MrTexas1982 · 09-17-2008, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Erekose

I am still working on mine, and it's mostly puffiness now as opposed to a lump. I've started in on the Nolvadex now, overlapping the Letro. The Nolvadex will be weakened by the Letro, but still effective IMO. Tamox is more effective against fatty gynecomastia.
I'm staying on Letro as long as it takes (up to 90 days in some cases), even if I carry it into my next cycle. I want the gyno *gone*.

Good luck man, I just had to get off the letro, it controlled the gyno, but whenever I tried tappering off i could feel a rebound, and I took massive amounts of fish oil, but the joint pain still kept me far away from my max lifting weight. I been running Toremifene and letro for about 6 days now, im at 120mg daily with the torm, and got about 2 more days of the letro.

I got some Recreate/DCP/NAPALM for topical, and I got some Ralox on the way. I think im just going to cut and see if can get rid of this, if not I'll just cut and then get the surgery. The Torem is giving me mixed results though, one day im good and everything looks normal, the next day its back to gynoville. I'm going to cut and run Torem/Ralox till december, if nothing, then i'll just have to go with the surgery. (liposuction)

djglow05 · 09-19-2008, 07:04 PM

whats up guys? i think i am having the same problem. i just got off a sd cycle and i developed a lil gyno. so i got some letro and did 2 weeks at .5ml then tried to taper it down. last week i dropped to .25ml and i feel like it is starting to come back. what should i do? it is startin to freak me out i want to be done with this ****!

MrTexas1982 · 09-21-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by djglow05

whats up guys? i think i am having the same problem. i just got off a sd cycle and i developed a lil gyno. so i got some letro and did 2 weeks at .5ml then tried to taper it down. last week i dropped to .25ml and i feel like it is starting to come back. what should i do? it is startin to freak me out i want to be done with this ****!

Whats up dude, Well I kinda found a semi-fix for the tapering down off the letro thing. I started my toremifene, and im letting them overlap. I been running 120torm ED, and .5mg letro. so far it appears to be working. I had made it down prior before I started the torm, but I ran into the tapering issue, and had to actually tapper back up to about .75mg letro, start torem at 120mg ran that, a few days and started tapering back down. So far, so good.

poopypants · 10-06-2008, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Erekose

I am still working on mine, and it's mostly puffiness now as opposed to a lump. I've started in on the Nolvadex now, overlapping the Letro. The Nolvadex will be weakened by the Letro, but still effective IMO. Tamox is more effective against fatty gynecomastia.
I'm staying on Letro as long as it takes (up to 90 days in some cases), even if I carry it into my next cycle. I want the gyno *gone*.

what dose did you run your tamox at Erekose?

mind laying out your entire switch over dosing schedule from letro to tamox?

dg806 · 10-06-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by djglow05

whats up guys? i think i am having the same problem. i just got off a sd cycle and i developed a lil gyno. so i got some letro and did 2 weeks at .5ml then tried to taper it down. last week i dropped to .25ml and i feel like it is starting to come back. what should i do? it is startin to freak me out i want to be done with this ****!

How did you run PCT? Sounds like your test level is still depressed and estogen high.

sactap101 · 10-06-2008, 09:54 PM

im running 2.5 mg of letro and 40 mg of nolva at the same time. seems to be working but i want to get off letro because i dont have a sex drive at all. question, if i taper letro fast but continue nolva at 40 mg, will there be rebound u think?
and if i get laid while on letro will i be able to last for days?

supersize77 · 10-07-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sactap101

im running 2.5 mg of letro and 40 mg of nolva at the same time. seems to be working but i want to get off letro because i dont have a sex drive at all. question, if i taper letro fast but continue nolva at 40 mg, will there be rebound u think?
and if i get laid while on letro will i be able to last for days?

If you're running letro at 2.5 you should have almost zero estro production and running nolva is essentially worthless (no estro to bind to receptors). I would stop the nolva immediately (as it's not needed) and begin tapering off the letro like this:
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg (you can keep it here or lower it to .25)
Day 5: .25mg

If you're overly concerned about rebound you can extend the lowering increments to .5 every third day. When you get to .50 or .25, run that dosage for a week along with 10mg nolva. Then run 20 mgs nolva solo for one week. Following this framework allowed me to safetly taper off letro w/no rebound. Good luck.