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  1. Get ready for socialism!


    Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!


  2. When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. - Dom Helder Camara
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!
    Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!
    Word.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well
    Actually it is working well now (although I agree the planning was terrible) but you didnt hear that NPR huh?

    "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

    Norman Thomas, 1948
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Actually it is working well now (although I agree the planning was terrible) but you didnt hear that NPR huh?

    "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

    Norman Thomas, 1948
    Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.

    Working well now? I guess foxnews is a great source of information

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Actually it is working well now...
    Yeah, we're well on our way to a permanent state of war - which is doing such wonders for the economy - and it's whittling away nicely at that darned inconvenient constitution, too. Thumbs-up all around, I guess....

    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

    Norman Thomas
    Those who learn history from the John Birch Society are doomed to be very confused - and typically wrong.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    Yeah, we're well on our way to a permanent state of war - which is doing such wonders for the economy - and it's whittling away nicely at that darned inconvenient constitution, too. Thumbs-up all around, I guess....


    Those who learn history from the John Birch Society are doomed to be very confused - and typically wrong.
    Read past the name of the quote and READ the quote. It is as true as can be. Iraq is now at its most stable point thus far, hence the talks of drawdowns.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.

    Working well now? I guess foxnews is a great source of information
    I'm not a republican. BTW, I don't watch fox, or TV for that matter.

  10. Four legs baaaaad, two legs gooood.
    Spending has been out of control under the Bush admin, and I'm talking domestic spending. Going to be outright insane should Obama win. Most lib voter in the Senate. McCain is scary enough. Change indeed.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.

    Working well now? I guess foxnews is a great source of information
    Maybe you should actually read what General Petraeus says....and look at the actual numbers.


    But that would ruin MSNBC's talking points....
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Bum Mahoney View Post
    Four legs baaaaad, two legs gooood.
    Spending has been out of control under the Bush admin, and I'm talking domestic spending. Going to be outright insane should Obama win. Most lib voter in the Senate. McCain is scary enough. Change indeed.

    Look at the Farm Bill. MORE subsidies for CORN ethanol (morons) in a record amount for a farm bill. You could feed an army with the ribs from that pork.
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  13. Oh I forgot for those in New York. The taxing liberals are at it again. Now, its the Internet Tax.

    http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20...e-internet-tax
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Soup Nazi View Post
    Oh I forgot for those in New York. The taxing liberals are at it again. Now, its the Internet Tax.

    http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20...e-internet-tax
    Yea.. this one is rich.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Soup Nazi View Post
    Maybe you should actually read what General Petraeus says....and look at the actual numbers.


    But that would ruin MSNBC's talking points....
    Considering I dont spend any time with MSNBC, your argument is already flawed.

    To objectively look at the war, lets look at the economy of it as well. Or would fox news not approve?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well
    Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.

    The economy isn't so hot due to numerous reasons, not just the war. But Bush really has ****ed up the conservative name.

    I don't like McCain or Obama.

  17. Who knows how this will turn out but I don't plan on it getting better before it gets worse.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.

    The economy isn't so hot due to numerous reasons, not just the war. But Bush really has ****ed up the conservative name.

    I don't like McCain or Obama.
    agreed 100%

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Considering I dont spend any time with MSNBC, your argument is already flawed.

    To objectively look at the war, lets look at the economy of it as well. Or would fox news not approve?


    I could care less if you think my argument is flawed or not...and yeah...I'm sure you never watch it. You are the one that started talking about credibility when it comes to news organizations without looking a the actual facts.

    If you want to talk about the economy of it all, go right ahead because I will then show you just how completely unrelated they are and where exactly that money we are spending would have gone. Here is a hint..it certainly isn't you and it certainly wouldn't be in infrastructure.

    Its funny you want to bring up the economy when in 2003-2005 when the war was at its worst, we show 3-5% GDP growth. It was booming. What our government spends means jack **** on the health of our economy. The housing bust that is basically bringing us down has jack **** to do with the war. It has to do with regulations back in the 90's. The price of oil has the same baked in price it did back in the 90's when guess what...their was instability in the middle east. Its called China, India and the rest of Asia coming out of the 5th century.

    The biggest increase in oil was in the last 2 years. Guess who ran Congress then. Democrats. Is it their fault? No...its called the free market and they have jack **** to do with any of it unless they actually want to regulate and price control.


    So please, talk about the economy of it...
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by AM07 View Post
    Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.

    The economy isn't so hot due to numerous reasons, not just the war. But Bush really has ****ed up the conservative name.

    I don't like McCain or Obama.
    I also concur, however... how do you consider it illegal?


    Also do you notice people tend to always point out fox news in some sly remark to point out the right leaning stance of many of the shows/hosts etc. I always find this amazing considering almost every other network is leans way to the left.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Soup Nazi View Post
    I could care less if you think my argument is flawed or not...and yeah...I'm sure you never watch it. You are the one that started talking about credibility when it comes to news organizations without looking a the actual facts.

    If you want to talk about the economy of it all, go right ahead because I will then show you just how completely unrelated they are and where exactly that money we are spending would have gone. Here is a hint..it certainly isn't you and it certainly wouldn't be in infrastructure.

    Its funny you want to bring up the economy when in 2003-2005 when the war was at its worst, we show 3-5% GDP growth. It was booming. What our government spends means jack **** on the health of our economy. The housing bust that is basically bringing us down has jack **** to do with the war. It has to do with regulations back in the 90's. The price of oil has the same baked in price it did back in the 90's when guess what...their was instability in the middle east. Its called China, India and the rest of Asia coming out of the 5th century.

    The biggest increase in oil was in the last 2 years. Guess who ran Congress then. Democrats. Is it their fault? No...its called the free market and they have jack **** to do with any of it unless they actually want to regulate and price control.


    So please, talk about the economy of it...
    I will say one name Chuck Hagel. Go see his powerpoint about the expenses of the war.

  22. The war isn't illegal. It was sanctioned both by your President and your Congress. Therefore in every form of American law, it's legal.

    Saying that it's illegal is completely untrue, but feel free to continue to spread untruths.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    The war isn't illegal. It was sanctioned both by your President and your Congress. Therefore in every form of American law, it's legal.

    Saying that it's illegal is completely untrue, but feel free to continue to spread untruths.
    I had someone tell me that the war was illegal once because the UN didnt authorize it. lol

    The good ol UN, probably the most corrupt organization out there. I'd love if we pulled out of it.

  24. we will need the right leadership to get out of the war, but you can forget about leaving the un, we need it to look good especially when we dont abide by it

  25. This election truly stinks. You can either go with a left wing candidate who wants to continue a war that we shouldn't be in, or a more extreme left wing candidate who would be more at home in a room full of communist than a room full of libertarians.

    The two party system has to go. Either we ditch it or kiss our freedom goodbye.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I will say one name Chuck Hagel. Go see his powerpoint about the expenses of the war.

    I don't' need a politician to tell me about economics. If our Senators knew anything about economics, we wouldn't be in this situation.

    Stop listening to politicians talking points and figure it out for yourself. You'll find the truth somewhere in between and pretty much boring when it comes to politics.

    Chuck Hagel, Congress and your President don't make monetary policy but they sure could sell you the idea that they do.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post

    Also do you notice people tend to always point out fox news in some sly remark to point out the right leaning stance of many of the shows/hosts etc. I always find this amazing considering almost every other network is leans way to the left.


    You think? You mean to tell me they haven't been pushing the liberal candidate? No way....they would NEVER do that!
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  28. Republicans are NOT good for the economy EVER! Anyone who argues this statement doesn't understand what the party actually stands for!!!! So vote Democrat or watch the economy get worse because McCain feels that everything is fine and the economy will take care of itself, this Lazze Faire attitude is not what this country needs after eight years of abuse by the Republican party. (NAFTA, Big Oil, and Corporate interests) have corrupted our politicians (majority of whom are Republican). I am normally independent on most issues because I am in the middle on most issues, but the most important issue right now is the economy so VOTE Democrat because to vote independent is a waste of a vote.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Hard Knox View Post
    Republicans are NOT good for the economy EVER! Anyone who argues this statement doesn't understand what the party actually stands for!!!! So vote Democrat or watch the economy get worse because McCain feels that everything is fine and the economy will take care of itself, this Lazze Faire attitude is not what this country needs after eight years of abuse by the Republican party. (NAFTA, Big Oil, and Corporate interests) have corrupted our politicians (majority of whom are Republican). I am normally independent on most issues because I am in the middle on most issues, but the most important issue right now is the economy so VOTE Democrat because to vote independent is a waste of a vote.
    Everyone listen to blanket statement man!!!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Everyone listen to blanket statement man!!!

    Hey man its all true, and I didn't just figure this out during the last few months of campaigning. Many economics classes on the transcript so I do know a thing or two about the subject. Not trying to be cocky but that "blanket statement" is unfortunately a correct summary of the current situation.
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