[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by AM07

Obama is just another candidate that tells people to blame everyone else for their problems without looking at the root of the problem, YOURSELF!

How about elaborating on this? General comments of this type usually have low informational content!

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by Hard Knox

If you knew half as much as you thought about these issues you would be on track for an article in the Enquirer.

You are so clueless thats its astonishing.

1. NAFTA was enacted on January 1, 1994 under Bill Clinton.



"Implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) began on January 1, 1994. This agreement will remove most barriers to trade and investment among the United States, Canada, and Mexico."



If Bill Clinton and Democrats were so against it they could have easily scrapped it between 1992-1994 when you had a Democratic majority in Congress. Even that "genius" Jimmy Carter supported it. So the blame go around for a policy that's actually works according to almost 90% of economists.

So its a economists dream....a Republican idea yet a Democrat majority and Democrat President signed it into law and its still the Republicans fault.

2. The tax cuts were the same breaks that Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter kept in place. Or do you prefer taxing them more and paying $9/gallon like they do in the UK? When you tax oil companies more who do you think gets hit the hardest? Them or the low income family that they pass the tax too.

And if you actually took the time to look at some of these oil companies balance sheets...as traders do (like me who OWNS oil) you would see margins are DOWN. Record profits and record expenses. But making a ton of money is just SO evil...

You don't' like oil prices? As a free American you can go BUY OIL STOCKS AND HEDGE YOUR LOSS.

But instead of blaming the consumer who buys the SUV's and uses the gas (not to mention your Union pension funds investing in oil driving the price higher), its the oil companies fault.


3. The tax means very little? What have you been smoking? They get what they want in terms of policy? Did they lobby to tax themselves higher? Did they lobby to more global warming restrictions on them that forbids them to invest in domestic factories rather than building elsewhere? Did they lobby cap and trade policies which would severely restrict new domestic factories while taxing existing companies more?

The corporate tax rates that forced many of these companies overseas killed your unions. Its simple economics. If I can pay half the tax and half the labor costs over the Mexican border...guess what..I'm moving. Who enabled that? Bill Clinton.

I didn't see the Unions against that massive amnesty program called "comprehensive immigration". Why? More dues...more people in the Union and diluting their own membership with cheaper labor and less skilled workers.

You want better labor policies? Don't tax the companies into the ground that provide that labor because they will go somewhere else.

4. An extremely narrow view that reflects a "couple classes in economics".

If you didn't lower the interest rates to combat the severe tightening you wouldn't have banks lending to each other not to mention relief form the current housing crisis. The dollar is in its normal 30 yr fluctuation range and its the same thing Greenspan did in the 70's to combat a recession. I guess your couple classes didn't cover that part. Is there a reason Bernanke just started to comment on the need to strengthen the dollar? Yeah..its called following history. If you didn't lower rates in the past 9 months you could have guaranteed a deep dark recessions for a long time to come.

When you lower the value of the dollar to increase exports, you increase production, you increase investment in the US (unlike your isolationist view that fears foreign ownership)....you increase those things that help keep the economy afloat in the times of a contraction. Once the credit crisis has cleared you stop cutting rates (which they already have stated)......people starting go long the dollar....commodity prices start to go down....foreign currencies go down, we buy them up...and the cycle begins again.


Or you could have the latter...notice there is a credit crisis but don't lower rates...choke every financial institution there is and basically cause your whole economy to crash sending every 401k and retirement fund in the the ****ing ground. Go ask your Union members if they would like to pay a bit more for gas and food for a couple years or watch their retirement fund drop by 50%. I think I know the answer but generally people like you who look at things form such a narrow minded view just won't get it.

You want to know why oil prices are going up? Its your Union pension funds and funds managers investing in it.



There is a reason people like Obama get elected...its because people like you think only George Bush and Republicans enacted NAFTA.

[BodyWizard]

Originally Posted by grila jujitsu

didnt bill balance the budget? oh yeah he did!

no, actually - he didn't, any more than HRC is "winning the popular vote".

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by BodyWizard

no, actually - he didn't, any more than HRC is "winning the popular vote".

He cut defense spending by 60%. THats how he magically created a surplus. He used that money to fund many social programs which he himself even admitted basically failed (massive medicaid and welfare fraud). He then reallocated much of those funds back to defense spending late in his second term.

He did have success with education spending (mainly higher education) though...But thats more of a business investing decisions than social program....

[Hard Knox]

I'm done trying to convince you thick skulled republicans about whats good for you and this country. If you'd stop listening to the right wing radio shows you'd actually learn whats really going on. Also, for the Soup Nazi, I have an extensive background in the military and have traveled the entire country and several other countries so your smarta** comments about me being some nieve college student are as out of line as the rest of the garbage that you countinously spew out of your radio show parroting a**. Good luck in the future if you happen to maintain republican leadership in the White House, you'll pay in the end but unfortunately so will I.

[timmmah]

Originally Posted by Hard Knox

Republicans are NOT good for the economy EVER! Anyone who argues this statement doesn't understand what the party actually stands for!!!! So vote Democrat or watch the economy get worse because McCain feels that everything is fine and the economy will take care of itself, this Lazze Faire attitude is not what this country needs after eight years of abuse by the Republican party. (NAFTA, Big Oil, and Corporate interests) have corrupted our politicians (majority of whom are Republican). I am normally independent on most issues because I am in the middle on most issues, but the most important issue right now is the economy so VOTE Democrat because to vote independent is a waste of a vote.

I agree with the outlook on Mccain as a lazzes faire style of leadership, however the country is not ready to vote for a black man, or a woman, many of the older voters are still racists and it's too bad for the democratic party that skin color can cause the loss of some of the vote.

[Hard Knox]

Originally Posted by timmmah

I agree with the outlook on Mccain as a lazzes faire style of leadership, however the country is not ready to vote for a black man, or a woman, many of the older voters are still racists and it's too bad for the democratic party that skin color can cause the loss of some of the vote.

I agree, it will be close no doubt.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by timmmah;

I agree with the outlook on Mccain as a lazzes faire style of leadership, however the country is not ready to vote for a black man, or a woman, many of the older voters are still racists and it's too bad for the democratic party that skin color can cause the loss of some of the vote.

Whose opinion is this?

[timmmah]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

Whose opinion is this?

Don't be so naive, we both know racism is still very much alive in the minds of small town rednecks and some from our grandparents generation, these people have a twisted view of society and hopefully their kind will eventually come to pass, no doubt, but they still vote. Who's opinion is this? it's just my opinion, if it offends you, wake up! where is the world where everybody gets along and nobody is mean to anybody just because they look different? Cause if there is one, I want to go there, but that world just doesn't exist yet , my freind.

[RobInKuwait]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

How about elaborating on this? General comments of this type usually have low informational content!

I think hes referring to these democratic mantras:

-Blame oil companies

-Blame "evil" corporations

-Blame the rich

-Blame racism and sexism

-Blame republicans

American government was not founded to make sure everyone has food on their table, it was founded to ensure everybody has the opportunity to make their OWN living.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by Hard Knox

I'm done trying to convince you thick skulled republicans about whats good for you and this country. If you'd stop listening to the right wing radio shows you'd actually learn whats really going on. Also, for the Soup Nazi, I have an extensive background in the military and have traveled the entire country and several other countries so your smarta** comments about me being some nieve college student are as out of line as the rest of the garbage that you countinously spew out of your radio show parroting a**. Good luck in the future if you happen to maintain republican leadership in the White House, you'll pay in the end but unfortunately so will I.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by timmmah;

Don't be so naive, we both know racism is still very much alive in the minds of small town rednecks and some from our grandparents generation, these people have a twisted view of society and hopefully their kind will eventually come to pass, no doubt, but they still vote. Who's opinion is this? it's just my opinion, if it offends you, wake up! where is the world where everybody gets along and nobody is mean to anybody just because they look different? Cause if there is one, I want to go there, but that world just doesn't exist yet , my freind.

I do not understand why you sound so worked up in your response. I asked that question exactly because I am not naive. You should expect your statements to be challenged. I asked that question precisely because I felt it was your opinion. Obama is just as white as he is black! And he is now the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. That is not trivial.

[Frank Costanza]

Originally Posted by timmmah

Don't be so naive, we both know racism is still very much alive in the minds of small town rednecks and some from our grandparents generation, these people have a twisted view of society and hopefully their kind will eventually come to pass, no doubt, but they still vote. Who's opinion is this? it's just my opinion, if it offends you, wake up! where is the world where everybody gets along and nobody is mean to anybody just because they look different? Cause if there is one, I want to go there, but that world just doesn't exist yet , my freind.

Yet you ignore the 92% of black people that voted for Obama. So its ok for 92%.....92%!!!!!!! of a black people to vote for a black candidate and the term racism is NEVER used but when poor white people don't vote for black man its racism.

Did the old people of Iowa not get the white people memo?